DomainIndex.com has released 8 Million Appraisals for new gTLD domain names those including trademarks and those with just generic terms and the results are pretty interesting.
Mt first observation is that of the new gTLD domain names with the highest valuation, only 1 non-trademarked term has a value in the six figures, Car.Insurance (which may not even be available to be registered depending on which applicant wins the .insurance new gTLD) at $125,000
All other new gTLD domain names are apprised in the five figures by DomainIndex.com
My second observation of the highest valued domain names include domain names in some extensions that have not even been applied for, as new gTLD’s such as the third highest valued domain, hand.bags which DomainIndex places a value of $85,935 on. The problem is no one has applied for .Bags; likewise credit.card which has a value of over $78,000 no one applied to operate a .Card new gTLD, .Cards yes, .Card no, DomainIndex.com gives a value of $84,000 to Hotels.Europe another non-existent new gTLD which would not even be allowed to be applied for under the ICANN Applicant Guidebook. Also Included erronously are valuations for other extensions that have not been applied for including .Chicago, .houston, .usa and .angeles (which gets you Los.Angeles).
On the other hand new gTLD that have actually been applied for are seemingly not supported by DomainIndex and quiries on valuations returns errors like .NYC for example as our inquiry for hotels.nyc returned this message
We are sorry hotels.nyc is invalid or unsupported domain name.
Likewise a inquiry for the valution of the domain name night.club returned the same message:
We are sorry night.club is invalid or unsupported domain name
According to DomainIndex.com the value the keyword, traffic to the domain name are among the factors they used to derive valuation. However DomainIndex.com seems to give the most valuation to domain hacks like the above non-existent hand.bags, credit.card (of course credit.cards would be a high value.
I know new gTLD registries are not going to be happy with these valuations as many are expecting multiple deals into the six figures for their super premium domain names.
Here are the highest values placed by DomainIndex in general I would place a GIANT FAIL on this attempt:
| health.insurance | $91,500 |
| gmail.email | $86,430 |
| hand.bags | $85,935 |
| hotels.paris | $85,620 |
| paypal.card | $85,027 |
| hotmail.email | $85,026 |
| hotels.directory | $84,858 |
| hotels.usa | $84,650 |
| hotels.europe | $84,608 |
| hotels.discount | $84,569 |
| health.care | $79,125 |
| credit.card | $78,390 |
| ebay.shop | $75,040 |
| craigs.list | $65,003 |
| web.hosting | $60,500 |
| yahoo.sport | $59,620 |
| app.store | $58,770 |
| amazon.usa | $58,240 |
| yahoo.sports | $56,780 |
| yahoo.chat | $56,210 |
| amazon.coupons | $56,170 |
| amazon.deals | $55,394 |
| amazon.store | $55,145 |
| yahoo.directory | $55,124 |
| amazon.shop | $55,072 |
| amazon.movies | $55,030 |
| amazon.shops | $55,019 |
| car.rental | $49,400 |
| business.cards | $48,300 |
| used.cars | $42,121 |
| tele.vision | $41,818 |
| home.insurance | $38,600 |
| tele.phone | $38,518 |
| teleph.one | $38,203 |
| web.sites | $38,000 |
| home.page | $36,360 |
| flowers.online | $36,230 |
| los.angeles | $34,640 |
| web.cam | $34,200 |
| flowers.shop | $33,490 |
| flowers.direct | $33,271 |
| flowers.usa | $33,144 |
| auto.insurance | $32,950 |
| medi.care | $32,882 |
| life.insurance | $32,600 |
| home.security | $30,910 |
| affiliate.program | $30,650 |
| hotel.deals | $30,360 |
| frankfurt.airport | $30,347 |
| general.hospital | $30,311 |
| hotel.california | $29,950 |
| web.server | $29,900 |
| home.loan | $29,330 |
| hotel.berlin | $29,320 |
| home.office | $29,290 |
| home.care | $28,840 |
| hotel.management | $28,383 |
| home.work | $28,350 |
| marketing.today | $28,110 |
| home.land | $28,024 |
| home.business | $27,914 |
| hotel.jobs | $27,737 |
| home.finance | $27,723 |
| hotel.finder | $27,711 |
| home.repair | $27,706 |
| hotel.miami | $27,701 |
| hotel.canada | $27,689 |
| hotel.rates | $27,686 |
| hotel.search | $27,686 |
| hotel.toronto | $27,671 |
| hotel.chicago | $27,635 |
| hotel.discount | $27,626 |
| home.finder | $27,615 |
| home.credit | $27,605 |
| hotel.dallas | $27,588 |
| hotel.cafe | $27,587 |
| hotel.nyc | $27,584 |
| hotel.express | $27,572 |
| hotel.direct | $27,572 |
| insurance.usa | $27,570 |
| home.massage | $27,569 |
| home.education | $27,569 |
| home.schools | $27,569 |
| hotel.manager | $27,568 |
| hotel.spain | $27,542 |
| hotel.vegas | $27,539 |
| home.shop | $27,539 |
| hotel.web | $27,538 |
| home.properties | $27,532 |
| hotel.inn | $27,532 |
| hotel.texas | $27,526 |
| hotel.development | $27,523 |
| home.pizza | $27,519 |
| home.university | $27,517 |
| hotel.italy | $27,502 |
| home.dallas | $27,501 |
| pac.man | $27,425 |
| cheap.hotels | $27,239 |
| watch.movies | $27,100 |
| new.york | $26,500 |
| greatwallof.china | $26,101 |
| web.site | $26,000 |
| las.vegas | $25,569 |
| web.master | $25,220 |
| web.city | $25,000 |
| insurance.rates | $24,900 |
| web.agency | $24,830 |
| loans.today | $24,661 |
| stock.market | $24,390 |
| web.development | $24,320 |
| loans.canada | $24,174 |
| loans.online | $24,114 |
| loans.direct | $24,111 |
| loans.centre | $24,070 |
| loans.finance | $24,060 |
| loans.mall | $24,056 |
| loans.companies | $24,056 |
| loans.money | $24,052 |
| web.page | $24,050 |
| loans.rates | $24,036 |
| loans.toronto | $24,034 |
| loans.australia | $24,034 |
| loans.bank | $24,033 |
| loans.now | $24,033 |
| loans.loans | $24,030 |
| loans.auto | $24,028 |
| loans.home | $24,025 |
| loans.mortgage | $24,022 |
| holi.day | $24,022 |
| loans.london | $24,019 |
| loans.india | $24,018 |
| loans.usa | $24,017 |
| loans.houston | $24,014 |
| loans.plus | $24,012 |
| loans.international | $24,012 |
| loans.express | $24,011 |
| loans.services | $24,011 |
| loans.california | $24,010 |
| loans.center | $24,010 |
| loans.nyc | $24,005 |
| loans.business | $24,005 |
| web.chat | $23,990 |
| web.mail | $23,870 |
| rental.cars | $23,707 |
| web.space | $23,660 |
| web.marketing | $23,461 |
| web.graphics | $23,390 |
| web.shop | $23,250 |
| web.sex | $23,169 |
| web.radio | $23,156 |
| insurance.company | $23,150 |
| web.services | $23,088 |
| web.host | $23,005 |
| insurance.card | $22,989 |
| web.engineering | $22,918 |
| insurance.companies | $22,847 |
| cars.auction | $22,808 |
| web.game | $22,775 |
| cars.guide | $22,759 |
| web.store | $22,751 |
| insurance.sales | $22,688 |
| insurance.lawyers | $22,665 |
| insurance.online | $22,660 |
| web.directory | $22,640 |
| cars.online | $22,634 |
| web.attorney | $22,631 |
| insurance.health | $22,628 |
| cars.canada | $22,623 |
| insurance.florida | $22,622 |
| web.business | $22,614 |
| insurance.car | $22,608 |
| cars.parts | $22,608 |
| insurance.agency | $22,606 |
| insurance.australia | $22,603 |
| cell.phone | $22,602 |
| web.report | $22,602 |
| web.trade | $22,598 |
| cars.direct | $22,597 |
| web.free | $22,592 |
| insurance.life | $22,592 |
| insurance.canada | $22,588 |
| insurance.house | $22,583 |
| insurance.cars | $22,577 |
| web.links | $22,576 |
| insurance.direct | $22,576 |
| cars.australia | $22,572 |
| insurance.ireland | $22,570 |
| web.search | $22,567 |
| cars.toys | $22,566 |
| insurance.plan | $22,566 |
| web.design | $22,566 |
| web.designs | $22,565 |
| web.advertising | $22,563 |
| insurance.auction | $22,563 |
| cars.price | $22,561 |
| cars.auctions | $22,560 |
| insurance.journal | $22,560 |
| web.press | $22,560 |
| insurance.marketing | $22,560 |
| cars.insurance | $22,560 |
| insurance.market | $22,559 |
| cars.credit | $22,558 |
| cars.finance | $22,558 |
| insurance.job | $22,558 |
| cars.ireland | $22,555 |
| web.cars | $22,555 |
| insurance.law | $22,555 |
| insurance.world | $22,554 |
| web.mobile | $22,552 |
| web.team | $22,552 |
| web.show | $22,551 |
| cars.usa | $22,551 |
| web.builders | $22,549 |
| insurance.business | $22,549 |
| web.email | $22,547 |
| web.pages | $22,547 |
| cars.deals | $22,547 |
| web.star | $22,546 |
| web.academy | $22,546 |
| web.corp | $22,546 |
| insurance.india | $22,546 |
| cars.sales | $22,546 |
| cars.rental | $22,545 |
| insurance.plans | $22,544 |
| web.works | $22,544 |
| cars.sale | $22,544 |
| cars.mexico | $22,543 |
| insurance.attorneys | $22,542 |
| cars.loans | $22,542 |
| web.security | $22,541 |
| web.farm | $22,540 |
| web.hotel | $22,540 |
| web.marine | $22,539 |
| insurance.forums | $22,539 |
| cars.images | $22,538 |
| cars.photos | $22,538 |
| web.car | $22,538 |
| web.home | $22,538 |
| insurance.school | $22,538 |
| web.vision | $22,537 |
| web.band | $22,537 |
| web.card | $22,537 |
| insurance.times | $22,535 |
| web.exchange | $22,535 |
| web.plan | $22,535 |
| insurance.technology | $22,535 |
| web.photo | $22,535 |
| insurance.reviews | $22,535 |
| web.media | $22,535 |
| cars.club | $22,535 |
| cars.tube | $22,534 |
| insurance.association | $22,534 |
| insurance.exchange | $22,534 |
| insurance.prices | $22,534 |
| insurance.dental | $22,534 |
| web.tickets | $22,534 |
| web.village | $22,533 |
| cars.prices | $22,533 |
| web.auto | $22,533 |
| insurance.history | $22,532 |
| insurance.factory | $22,532 |
| web.deals | $22,532 |
| insurance.deals | $22,532 |
| web.india | $22,532 |
| cars.site | $22,532 |
| web.news | $22,532 |
| web.kits | $22,531 |
| web.gear | $22,531 |
| cars.houston | $22,531 |
| cars.companies | $22,531 |
| insurance.work | $22,531 |
| web.srl | $22,531 |
| web.shoes | $22,531 |
| cars.search | $22,531 |
| web.auction | $22,530 |
| web.japan | $22,530 |
| insurance.sites | $22,530 |
| cars.directory | $22,530 |
| cars.shop | $22,530 |
| cars.quotes | $22,529 |
| cars.outlet | $22,529 |
| web.download | $22,529 |
| web.test | $22,529 |
| cars.trade | $22,528 |
| web.shopping | $22,528 |
| web.casino | $22,528 |
| cars.miami | $22,527 |
| web.coupons | $22,527 |
| cars.loan | $22,527 |
| insurance.search | $22,527 |
| cars.reviews | $22,527 |
| insurance.attorney | $22,526 |
| insurance.toronto | $22,525 |
| insurance.consultants | $22,525 |
| insurance.consulting | $22,525 |
| insurance.insurance | $22,525 |
| insurance.guide | $22,525 |
| insurance.america | $22,524 |
| cars.rentals | $22,524 |
| web.world | $22,524 |
| web.guide | $22,524 |
| web.sale | $22,524 |
| web.poker | $22,523 |
| cars.racing | $22,523 |
| web.porn | $22,523 |
| web.movies | $22,523 |
| web.videos | $22,523 |
| cars.videos | $22,523 |
| web.consulting | $22,523 |
| cars.service | $22,523 |
| insurance.central | $22,522 |
| insurance.california | $22,522 |
| cars.land | $22,522 |
| web.institute | $22,522 |
| cars.international | $22,522 |
| web.hotels | $22,522 |
| web.university | $22,521 |
| web.data | $22,521 |
| web.factory | $22,521 |
| cars.japan | $22,521 |
| insurance.express | $22,521 |
| insurance.magazine | $22,521 |
| insurance.tax | $22,520 |
| cars.toronto | $22,520 |
| web.loans | $22,520 |
| web.music | $22,520 |
| web.production | $22,519 |
| cars.oil | $22,519 |
| insurance.loan | $22,519 |
| web.sport | $22,519 |
| insurance.capital | $22,519 |
| insurance.research | $22,519 |
| web.one | $22,519 |
| cars.repair | $22,519 |
| web.bar | $22,519 |
| insurance.test | $22,519 |
| cars.europe | $22,519 |
| insurance.family | $22,519 |
| insurance.finder | $22,518 |
| web.course | $22,518 |
| insurance.corporation | $22,518 |
| web.computers | $22,518 |
| insurance.report | $22,518 |
| web.place | $22,518 |
| insurance.london | $22,518 |
| cars.books | $22,518 |
| web.products | $22,518 |
| insurance.center | $22,518 |
| web.community | $22,517 |
| insurance.portal | $22,517 |
| web.tool | $22,517 |
| web.internet | $22,517 |
| cars.sites | $22,517 |
| web.properties | $22,517 |
| insurance.network | $22,517 |
| web.auctions | $22,516 |
| cars.spain | $22,516 |
| web.agent | $22,516 |
| insurance.finance | $22,516 |
| web.property | $22,516 |
| insurance.office | $22,516 |
| cars.trading | $22,515 |
| insurance.texas | $22,515 |
| cars.rent | $22,514 |
| cars.show | $22,514 |
| insurance.plus | $22,514 |
| web.tours | $22,514 |
| web.europe | $22,514 |
| cars.city | $22,514 |
| web.review | $22,514 |
| insurance.sale | $22,514 |
| cars.storage | $22,513 |
| cars.motors | $22,513 |
| cars.glass | $22,513 |
| insurance.discount | $22,513 |
| insurance.houston | $22,513 |
| insurance.corp | $22,513 |
| cars.wholesale | $22,512 |
| web.gold | $22,512 |
| insurance.global | $22,512 |
| web.loan | $22,512 |
| web.realestate | $22,512 |
| web.nyc | $22,512 |
| cars.review | $22,512 |
| cars.world | $22,512 |
| insurance.homes | $22,512 |
| web.society | $22,511 |
| web.shirt | $22,511 |
| insurance.atlanta | $22,511 |
| web.times | $22,511 |
| cars.discount | $22,511 |
| insurance.centre | $22,511 |
| web.solution | $22,510 |
| insurance.today | $22,510 |
| web.trading | $22,510 |
| insurance.mobile | $22,510 |
| web.events | $22,510 |
| web.ltd | $22,510 |
| web.direct | $22,510 |
| web.realty | $22,510 |
| web.law | $22,510 |
| insurance.international | $22,510 |
| web.insurance | $22,510 |
| insurance.service | $22,510 |
| insurance.inc | $22,510 |
| web.signs | $22,509 |
| web.italy | $22,509 |
| cars.mag | $22,509 |
| insurance.massage | $22,509 |
| web.md | $22,509 |
| cars.electronics | $22,509 |
| web.diet | $22,509 |
| web.berlin | $22,509 |
| insurance.tips | $22,509 |
| web.usa | $22,509 |
| web.inc | $22,509 |
| insurance.realestate | $22,508 |
| cars.buy | $22,507 |
| cars.centre | $22,506 |
| cars.texas | $22,505 |
| web.cafe | $22,505 |
| web.salon | $22,502 |
| insurance.home | $22,501 |
| insurance.chicago | $22,500 |
| house.insurance | $22,200 |
| car.hire | $22,000 |
| capital.news | $21,540 |
| online.dating | $21,200 |
| disney.world | $20,850 |
| ware.house | $20,532 |
| sex.shop | $20,500 |
| shopping.mall | $20,250 |
| air.canada | $20,110 |
| job.bank | $20,040 |
You can watch a video on DomainIndex.com explanation of its valuation of new gTLD’s here:
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 9:23 amvaluations are still way too high probably
or at least not sustainable through hundreds of TLD releases… unless an incredible amount of new domainers arrives.. i expect this but just can see it sustaining $xx,xxx or even x,xxx type prices at first though…
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 9:23 amBerkens,
You missed the key interpretation, which is, if an advanced algorithm such as DomainIndex.com, is confused, or unable to keep up with the deluge of names, then how is the poor consumer going to get involved in these names? The obvious answer is that it would be too complicated for’em. What do consumers do when there are too many choices? They settle for more comfortable, less complicated, proven, conservative one. The .com.
It’s the first or second rule of sales, keep it simple. Make no mistake about it, the public has to embrace these gTLDs in order for the thing to work. The other gTLDs and ccTLDs of the past are artificially buoyed by domainers, this time around, there ain’t that many domainers to sell these things to one another.
So, back to what you missed in your analyses: NOT even the advanced algo of domainIndex.com can keep up with what gTLD is applied for, and which is not. That is what I distilled from your post. The synopsis of it.
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 9:25 am^^ meant to say i CANNOT see it sustaining $xx,xxx or even x,xxx type prices.
if there are lots of high dollar sales i think it will be somewhat random.
i.e. domains selling for $x,xxx while the plural/singular of that word gets hand reg’d…
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 9:29 amDomenclature:
you make it sound like the public knows how to value a .COM domain…. like they would NOT be confused about what to pay for a certain .COM ?
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 9:31 amAddendum:
I was going to leave an example.
DomainIndex has Loan.Services at $24,500, and you are apparently protesting that it is too low.
The following hack is just as good for consumers, and they haven’t registered it yet, it’s available for registration
http://www.loansservic.es
Michael Berkens says
June 26, 2013 at 9:33 amWell there is the algorithm issue and the valuation and then there is the issue of a company in the space not even knowing what new gTLD have been applied for.
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 9:36 am@Berkens,
I was going to leave the following example.
DomainIndex has Loans.Services at $24,011, and you are apparently protesting that it is too low.
The following hack is just as good as far as consumers are concerned, and they haven’t registered it yet, it’s available for registration
loansServic.es
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 9:39 amvaluations aside: loansServic.es is not just as good. are you being serious here?
how do you say that over the phone?
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 9:44 am@ontheinterweb
Actually loansServi.ces, in my opinion, is better.
It’s the ccTLD of Spain. At least, it’s a known quantity. The whole idea behind the new gtlds is “after the dot”, if that is what makes a name, then they are all hacks. What difference does it make where the dot is?
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 9:50 amRE: “What difference does it make where the dot is?”
lots of difference. say LoanServic.es out loud… now say Loan.Services
you still see no difference?
Michael Berkens says
June 26, 2013 at 9:53 amDomen
“DomainIndex has Loans.Services at $24,011, and you are apparently protesting that it is too low.:”
Where did you see that in the post?
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 9:54 am“you make it sound like the public knows how to value a .COM domain…. like they would NOT be confused about what to pay for a certain .COM ?” – ontheweb
I’ve learned to give the public a lot of credit. The have the proper valuations for most domains, not domainers. The public understands that when you want your taxes done, you go to HR Block; when you want domain names, you register or buy a dot com.
That’s all they know, and need to know.
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 9:55 am@Berkens:
I see it here —> “I know new gTLD registries are not going to be happy with these valuations as many are expecting multiple deals into the six figures for their super premium domain names”.
– Berkens
Andrew Allemann says
June 26, 2013 at 9:59 am“I know new gTLD registries are not going to be happy with these valuations as many are expecting multiple deals into the six figures for their super premium domain names.”
Michael, are you advising clients that they should expect multiple six figure deals?
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 10:01 ami read the sentence and it says what it says… read it again.
also, RE: “That’s all they know, and need to know.”
actually, what they know is what the registrars tell them to know. like godaddy n stuff.. on the one hand you give regular people that are not following a particular situation a lot of credit for being informed..
on the other hand you say “all they need to know is .COM”
why is that all they need to know? what if they knew they could buy a premium .COM for $15,000 but could hand register a new gTLD for $37 ?
wouldnt choice and saving money be a neat little option? you really dont think people would be interested in at least having more choice?
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 10:11 am“why is that all they need to know? what if they knew they could buy a premium .COM for $15,000 but could hand register a new gTLD for $37 ?” — ontheinterweb
@ ontheinterweb,
This one I can answer without a guess work, sir. Actually, I will demonstrate it for you:
Right now, the public can purchase many extensions for much cheaper than than after market .coms, and they can get free websites, including hosting from the likes of Google, Blogspot, etc, yet week after week, they spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions buying these dot coms. You have to discount the numerous .nets, .orgs, and other ccTLDs being purchased along by domainers, artificially keeping those extensions alive by selling them to each, like a giant pyramid scheme, I feel sorry for the last guy that would be left holding that big bag; there is only one extension: .com, and the public knows.
Michael Berkens says
June 26, 2013 at 10:12 amAndrew
That’s a broad question that I will answer narrowly.
I believe there are new gTLD domain names that are worth six figures if properly brokered and placed with end users, especially domains that are brandable and/or have huge opportunities for SEO.
For those registries that are throwing all their inventory down one of the distribution channels as soon as they go live they will sell for pennies on the dollar.
I would however stand by my statement that many registries believe they have set of six figure domain names.
Michael Berkens says
June 26, 2013 at 10:13 amAlso loanservic.es is unlikely to get indexed in Google as a generic (Google treats .es as a ccTLD not a gTLD)
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 10:17 amDomenclature: .org and established ccTLD is a pyramid scheme?
what about like .de and .co.uk ?
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 10:46 am@Berkens,
Remember, you also said “Here are the highest values placed by DomainIndex in general I would place a GIANT FAIL on this attempt”, so taken together, you ARE protesting the values placed on these names by domainindex.com, you went as far as scoring them a “FAIL” because, in your opinion, they valued them too low, and/or they placed, by preponderance, much more weight on hacks; so why are you evading something that you at the minimum implied? It makes no sense. I have to ask you to stop doing that, or I will have to, reluctantly, stop posting on your blog.
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 10:50 am“Domenclature: .org and established ccTLD is a pyramid scheme?
what about like .de and .co.uk ?” — ontheinterweb
No, that is not what I said, or meant to say. I was saying that the act of domainers buying and selling .nets, and .orgs to one another, has articially made these extensions a trend; whereas, what I have been able to see so far, is that successful companies, and individuals, upgrade their nets and orgs to .com at the earliest possible ability.
jose says
June 26, 2013 at 11:10 amactually i have seen several ORGs dropping their .com version. doesn’t make sense to me but it makes to them
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 11:17 amheh.. just a wild out there guess but the FAIL is probably because they are valuing TLD’s that havnt even been applied for. also by not recognizing TLD’s that have actually been applied for.
onlinedomain.com says
June 26, 2013 at 11:19 amI am not sure what DomainIndex.com is trying to do.
It seems that hey are trying without any success to show authority in the domain industry and all they produce is this kind of fail.
Andrew Allemann says
June 26, 2013 at 11:38 amMichael, fair assessment.
I’m afraid a lot of registries think they’re going to be able to sell a lot of premium domains right out the door like .mobi and .co did. Not going to happen.
accent says
June 26, 2013 at 1:20 pmTop price for a Mobi in the years since the hype stopped is about $5000. That would represent the base market without much domainer support. And Mobi has over a million domains registered, few new gTLDs have a hope of that.
Michael Berkens says
June 26, 2013 at 2:58 pmDomen
I’m not “protesting” anything
I’m saying a lot of the new Registries think they have some if not many six figure domains and therefore THEY would not be happy with the valuations.
However I am saying that the whole “study” is badly flawed because it doesn’t include extensions like .NYC which arguably may have some of the higher valued domains and does include extensions that haven’t even been applied for
Michael Berkens says
June 26, 2013 at 3:21 pmcorrect
They are not going to be happy
Michael Marcovici says
June 26, 2013 at 6:10 pmI could not comment earlier today, but here is my/Domainindex.com response:
1) The list is the result of a study of how our algo treats nTLDs, it can only use a smaller part of our appraisal engine and it can only give a very rough estimate that is probably only interesting for relative value and not absolute one, mailny based on keyword data.
2) One very important assumption for the appraisal is the size of the TLD, and clearly this is very difficult to estimate and has been put at the same size for every of these TLDs.
3) There is no way to make a “right” appraisal for domains where everyone will agree, needless to say that its even harder for nTLD domains, what is more of interest to users is the relative value.
4) We did not make a study of which applications are still valid and which ones not, we have also included some applications that might come up in a next round of applications and many included might have been declined.
5) No new TLDs can be appraised on Domainindex.com, they can be only seen in these lists, so no need to try to appraise them right now, we support only existing TLDs.
6) For paying subscribers there is a list of 1600 extensions that can be browsed and all 8 mio appraised names are listed there, the idea is to provide domain investors with ideas of more/relative to less valuable new domains.
@Michael: if you login you will find .nyc as well as .club and anything else you are missing.
also I think it might be fair to at least place a link to the tool, which is located here:
http://domainindex.com/tools/new-tld-finder/nyc
Domo Sapiens says
June 26, 2013 at 9:04 pmcoming from the fact that NOT even DOT COM domains the “Gold Standard” of domains CAN’T be appraised nor even remotely valued by any automated tool or mechanism, not today not tommrow , I think this tool is absolutely worthless with all due respect…
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 9:24 pmit sounds desperate even trying to appraise any of these. you might as well use witchcraft.
find another angle to help buyers/sellers… automated appraisals are 100% worthless.. especially for new gTLD’s.
by the way, your estimates are way way way WAY too high. some on the list might even stay unregistered… seen whats available in .travel lately for $99 hand reg?
ontheinterweb says
June 26, 2013 at 9:30 pmweb.travel
Whois Record Not Available
This domain is not registered.
yet these other ones are gonna sell for 5 figures… pfffffff seriously?
Michael Berkens says
June 26, 2013 at 9:52 pmMichael
I actually do have an account and did login but still did not find any info on a quick appraisal for condos.nyc or night.club
I understand the difficulty trying to automatically appraise domain names especially in extensions that don’t exist and for which there are no sales.
What I still can’t understand is on the list of the highest valued new gTLD domains on the site this morning, the inclusion of extensions that have not been applied for, how did that happen?
Domenclature.com says
June 26, 2013 at 10:46 pm“What I still can’t understand is on the list of the highest valued new gTLD domains on the site this morning, the inclusion of extensions that have not been applied for, how did that happen?”
— by Berkens
@Berkens,
I don’t understand why the above is making your eye-brows furrow with perplexity. It is a common phenomenon that unregistered domain names have appraisal value. One can quarrel with the assigned value, but it is very common. You can try it now, enter any domain name, registered or unregistered into estibot, domainindex, domainmongrel, valuate, etc, you will get an appraised value for that domain. So, why should unregistered names, extensions, or extensions. The exceptions are those engines that exclude based on supported or unsupported. Many engines do not support evn registered, and active extensions beyond .com, .net, and perhaps, org.
For example domainmongrel.com values htr.nyc at $9
see: http://domainmongrel.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&domain=htr.nyc&commit=Appraisal
Michael Marcovici says
June 27, 2013 at 6:47 am@ Michael
In the normal appraisal or mass appraisal process at Domainindex no new TLDs can be appraised. There is a tool called “new TLD finder” and there is dropdown with lists of 1600 different extensions and (according to this study) the most valuable domains in each of these extensions. This includes extensions that are trademarks as well as some that could be applied for in the future or might meanwhile have been declined, this list is far from perfect, its a hint to domain investors to find valuable nTLD domains or even extensions for nTLDs.
@ontheinterweb
Yes there is no way to make a perfect appraisal of any domain, no 2 domainers even agree on the fair price of a domain, for services like domainindex or estibot the business is not to appraise single domains so much but to offer tools to mass-appraise various lists of domains at high speed and acceptable accuracy of drops, registered domains or not-registered domains, besides all the other datapoints we deliver.
ontheinterweb says
June 27, 2013 at 7:58 amhahaha.. so like you said, no 2 domainers even agree on the fair price of a domain.. how in the world would any auto appraisal tool be even the least bit useful then? how is this based on anything but throwing random dollar amounts in the air then?
it is not a hint at all.. it is random numbers based on some weird algorithm not based on real life on this planet.
trying to appraise new gTLD’s is ridiculous and probably the only reason these sites offer these services is to PANDER to domainers who dont know any better. everyone should drop the appraisal nonsense but its not going to happen cause its a feel-good thing to hear a domain is worth “something” instantly.
watch and be amazed at domains selling for $xxx amounts that were appraised $xx,xxx… i know the supporters of auto appraisal tools will just say “well we said its not perfect”
no its not anything at all… its random and based on nothing.
Michael Berkens says
June 27, 2013 at 8:23 amMichael
I’m talking about this page
http://domainindex.com/tools/new-tld-finder/top-new-tld-domains
you have domain extensions on their as I noted in the story that WERE NOT APPLIED FOR
.usa, .Europe etc etc
Also since yesterday morning you now have the highest name Face.book which yesterday had a valuation of $xxx,xxx now at $12,000,000 how did that go up 100X from yesterday?
Yesterday Car.Insurance had a value of $125,000 today its $196,000
What happened yesterday that I missed to change the values of these domains?
Domenclature.com says
June 27, 2013 at 8:42 amGood morning Berkens,
On the same list that you refer Marcovici to, it has the following two names:
tele.phone $38,600
teleph.one $38,203
As you can see, the difference is the position of the dot. I gave an example of a similar unregistered name above, but I must repeat below, for convenience sake:
loansServic.es $9 (unregistered)
loans.Services $24,011
So, do you see my point now? Elaborate for us.
ontheinterweb says
June 27, 2013 at 8:47 amhere is the difference between LoanServic.es and Loan.Services:
pretend we’re on the phone or talking in person.
say LoanServic.es out loud…now say Loan.Services
you still see zero difference between communicating those two?
Michael Marcovici says
June 27, 2013 at 8:47 am@Michael
I think I explained by now 3 times that “yes” the list does include extensions that have not been applied for, we have ourselves extracted from zones possible valuable extensions and included them i this list. Again its not academic, its not complete, it includes also extensions that might never come to the market as well.
Absolutely nothing has been changed in this list for weeks, to me it simply looks like you copied the list starting with health.insurance and not with face.book. (which was not inlcuded in your list yesterday)
Domenclature.com says
June 27, 2013 at 9:04 am@ontheinterweb
Try saying the phone ones, and your example becomes unscientific, because you run into the same issue, but very lttle decline in value:
tele.phone $38,600
teleph.one $38,203
ontheinterweb says
June 27, 2013 at 9:29 amthe problem is you’re taking the “values” seriously.
nobody really paid those prices. its all pretend and make believe.
if anything it shows (again) what a giant joke appraisals are.
Domenclature.com says
June 27, 2013 at 12:09 pm@ontheinterweb,
Have you noticed the shifting dot on the .phone and .one example? You would at least acknowledge that it doesn’t matter where the dot is, like I said, because the value in the faux value is almost exact? I have to take the values seriously the values seriously, because, according to Berkens, they are even low.
ontheinterweb says
June 27, 2013 at 12:48 pmit does matter where the dot is.
first off: stop taking these appraisals seriously like they mean something. some person just came up with random numbers and domains – ignore what they’ll telling you. they’re not real sales. they’re making up values out of thin air and using an irrelevant algorithm.
now.. on to (again) why the dot matters: Loan.Services is pronounceable (pronounced LOAN DOT SERVICES)
now explain to me and everyone else how you pronounce LoanServic.es ?
Berkens never said the appraisals are too low according to his opinion… he is explaining to you from the perspective of the registries what THEY are expecting. i can explain lots of things from other peoples perspective… it doesnt mean i agree or endorse it.
Domenclature.com says
June 27, 2013 at 12:58 pm@ontheinterweb,
You did not touch the ,phone, and .one example above. Is there a reason why? According to the list that Berkens pointed to, the following names, and prices are featured, I want you to correlate it to the example I gave with Loans.Services. For your information, when I say Loans.Services out loud, it doesn’t sound good, it only sounds good in the singular, Loan.Services. That is my point to say that Loans.Services is just as bad as the unregistered LoansServic.es.
Now, here are the names I want you to comment on:
tele.phone $38,600
teleph.one $38,203
ontheinterweb says
June 27, 2013 at 1:01 pmtele.phone $38,600
teleph.one $38,203
both not very good domains. the numbers next to them are irrelevant and made up by somebody.
why are you giving any credibility to the dollar amount appraisals? explain…
Domenclature.com says
June 27, 2013 at 1:09 pm@ontheinterweb,
You have to follow the debate from the beginning. I am NOT giving those names any value whatsoever. I disagree with the valuations completely. To the contrary, I am debating with Berkens because, he is of the opinion that:
DomainIndex.com valued the nGTLDs too cheaply, that the Registries will be upset with the numbers; even tho Berkens is trying to weasel out of his comments, he did say “Here are the highest values placed by DomainIndex in general I would place a GIANT FAIL on this attempt”.
That statement commits him personally, not just the Registries. He infact said that some of the names, without the hacks, should be 7 figures! So, I decided to use the DomainIndex.com numbers as a minimum just for sake of this debate, since Berkens believes they are too low.
What kind of debate would we have if Berkens is protesting the lowness of the figures, and I am protesting their highness? It will be a nonstarter. Therefore, I decided to use the domainindex numbers, as if they are real. The truth is that those numbers are inflated by 1000% or more.
ontheinterweb says
June 27, 2013 at 1:20 pmi understand the angle you’re coming from but that wasnt my interpretation of that post and i just read it again.
i dont know the guy personally and just read the blog so there is no bias here.
Michael Berkens says
June 27, 2013 at 3:27 pmI think values are silly high
tele.phone $38,600
teleph.one $38,203
The fact that they are priced over something like condos.nyc is ridiculous
ontheinterweb says
June 27, 2013 at 3:36 pmone of the points is this: in a “top 100 most valuable new gTLD’s” for example, why even include trademarks anywhere near the top?
because certainly when appraising that many domains, super generic intuitive phrases are worth more than “gmail.email” even if we’re talking about in the $10 hand reg range – because “gmail.email” is worth $0 in real life… so why have it at the top..
wait, this is real life isnt it?
Michael Berkens says
June 27, 2013 at 4:26 pm“Remember, you also said “Here are the highest values placed by DomainIndex in general I would place a GIANT FAIL on this attempt”
Yes that was the list of the highest valued domains
Yes its a fail
“So taken together, you ARE protesting the values placed on these names by domainindex.com, you went as far as scoring them a “FAIL” because, in your opinion, they valued them too low”
In some cases too low in other cases too high
Hacks are overvalued, bang on generics under valued, for an example see above.
“”I have to ask you to stop doing that, or I will have to, reluctantly, stop posting on your blog.””
I don’t know how I will be able to survive
Michael Berkens says
June 28, 2013 at 1:06 pmMike
night.club the 827th most valuable domain name in the .club extension?
Worth less than 5% of habbo.club
Fail
Brands-and-Jingles says
June 29, 2013 at 6:50 pmOkay, took all those xxxxxx.yyyyyy and plugged them into the spreadsheet.
Average length of xxxxxx = 5.09
Average length of yyyyyy = 5.88
Is it just me, or is it really feels weird that the tail is longer than the body?
ontheinterweb says
June 29, 2013 at 7:43 pmwell 1,000’s of gTLD’s are a weird thing just by themselves… was the type of stuff people joked about years ago never thinking it would happen on this scale.
Domenclature.com says
June 29, 2013 at 8:32 pmI think values are silly high
tele.phone $38,600
teleph.one $38,203
The fact that they are priced over something like condos.nyc is ridiculous – Berkens
@Berkens,
If you stated that in your piece, I wouldn’t have said anything at all. In my opinion, the entire post you made should have stopped with “I think the values are silly high”.