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FAIL: DomainIndex.com Releases 8 Million Appraisals For New gTLD’s Domain Names

June 26, 2013 by Michael Berkens

DomainIndex.com has released 8 Million Appraisals for new gTLD domain names those including trademarks and those with just generic terms and the results are pretty interesting.

Mt first observation is that of the new gTLD domain names with the highest valuation, only 1 non-trademarked term has a value in the six figures, Car.Insurance (which may not even be available to be registered depending on which applicant wins the .insurance new gTLD) at $125,000

All other new gTLD domain names are apprised in the five figures by DomainIndex.com

My second observation of the highest valued domain names include domain names in some extensions that have not even been applied for, as new gTLD’s such as the third highest valued domain, hand.bags which DomainIndex places a value of $85,935 on. The problem is no one has applied for .Bags; likewise credit.card which has a value of over $78,000 no one applied to operate a .Card new gTLD, .Cards yes, .Card no, DomainIndex.com gives a value of $84,000 to Hotels.Europe another non-existent new gTLD which would not even be allowed to be applied for under the ICANN Applicant Guidebook.  Also Included erronously are valuations for other extensions that have not been applied for including .Chicago, .houston, .usa and .angeles (which gets you Los.Angeles).

On the other hand new gTLD that have actually been applied for are seemingly not supported by DomainIndex and quiries on valuations returns errors like .NYC for example as our inquiry for hotels.nyc returned this message

We are sorry  hotels.nyc is invalid or unsupported domain name.

Likewise a inquiry for the valution of the domain name night.club returned the same message:

We are sorry night.club is invalid or unsupported domain name

According to DomainIndex.com the value  the keyword, traffic to the domain name are among the factors they used to derive valuation.  However DomainIndex.com seems to give the most valuation to domain hacks like the above non-existent hand.bags, credit.card (of course credit.cards would be a high value.

I know new gTLD registries are not going to be happy with these valuations as many are expecting multiple deals into the six figures for their super premium domain names.

Here are the highest values placed by DomainIndex in general I would place a GIANT FAIL on this attempt:

health.insurance $91,500
gmail.email $86,430
hand.bags $85,935
hotels.paris $85,620
paypal.card $85,027
hotmail.email $85,026
hotels.directory $84,858
hotels.usa $84,650
hotels.europe $84,608
hotels.discount $84,569
health.care $79,125
credit.card $78,390
ebay.shop $75,040
craigs.list $65,003
web.hosting $60,500
yahoo.sport $59,620
app.store $58,770
amazon.usa $58,240
yahoo.sports $56,780
yahoo.chat $56,210
amazon.coupons $56,170
amazon.deals $55,394
amazon.store $55,145
yahoo.directory $55,124
amazon.shop $55,072
amazon.movies $55,030
amazon.shops $55,019
car.rental $49,400
business.cards $48,300
used.cars $42,121
tele.vision $41,818
home.insurance $38,600
tele.phone $38,518
teleph.one $38,203
web.sites $38,000
home.page $36,360
flowers.online $36,230
los.angeles $34,640
web.cam $34,200
flowers.shop $33,490
flowers.direct $33,271
flowers.usa $33,144
auto.insurance $32,950
medi.care $32,882
life.insurance $32,600
home.security $30,910
affiliate.program $30,650
hotel.deals $30,360
frankfurt.airport $30,347
general.hospital $30,311
hotel.california $29,950
web.server $29,900
home.loan $29,330
hotel.berlin $29,320
home.office $29,290
home.care $28,840
hotel.management $28,383
home.work $28,350
marketing.today $28,110
home.land $28,024
home.business $27,914
hotel.jobs $27,737
home.finance $27,723
hotel.finder $27,711
home.repair $27,706
hotel.miami $27,701
hotel.canada $27,689
hotel.rates $27,686
hotel.search $27,686
hotel.toronto $27,671
hotel.chicago $27,635
hotel.discount $27,626
home.finder $27,615
home.credit $27,605
hotel.dallas $27,588
hotel.cafe $27,587
hotel.nyc $27,584
hotel.express $27,572
hotel.direct $27,572
insurance.usa $27,570
home.massage $27,569
home.education $27,569
home.schools $27,569
hotel.manager $27,568
hotel.spain $27,542
hotel.vegas $27,539
home.shop $27,539
hotel.web $27,538
home.properties $27,532
hotel.inn $27,532
hotel.texas $27,526
hotel.development $27,523
home.pizza $27,519
home.university $27,517
hotel.italy $27,502
home.dallas $27,501
pac.man $27,425
cheap.hotels $27,239
watch.movies $27,100
new.york $26,500
greatwallof.china $26,101
web.site $26,000
las.vegas $25,569
web.master $25,220
web.city $25,000
insurance.rates $24,900
web.agency $24,830
loans.today $24,661
stock.market $24,390
web.development $24,320
loans.canada $24,174
loans.online $24,114
loans.direct $24,111
loans.centre $24,070
loans.finance $24,060
loans.mall $24,056
loans.companies $24,056
loans.money $24,052
web.page $24,050
loans.rates $24,036
loans.toronto $24,034
loans.australia $24,034
loans.bank $24,033
loans.now $24,033
loans.loans $24,030
loans.auto $24,028
loans.home $24,025
loans.mortgage $24,022
holi.day $24,022
loans.london $24,019
loans.india $24,018
loans.usa $24,017
loans.houston $24,014
loans.plus $24,012
loans.international $24,012
loans.express $24,011
loans.services $24,011
loans.california $24,010
loans.center $24,010
loans.nyc $24,005
loans.business $24,005
web.chat $23,990
web.mail $23,870
rental.cars $23,707
web.space $23,660
web.marketing $23,461
web.graphics $23,390
web.shop $23,250
web.sex $23,169
web.radio $23,156
insurance.company $23,150
web.services $23,088
web.host $23,005
insurance.card $22,989
web.engineering $22,918
insurance.companies $22,847
cars.auction $22,808
web.game $22,775
cars.guide $22,759
web.store $22,751
insurance.sales $22,688
insurance.lawyers $22,665
insurance.online $22,660
web.directory $22,640
cars.online $22,634
web.attorney $22,631
insurance.health $22,628
cars.canada $22,623
insurance.florida $22,622
web.business $22,614
insurance.car $22,608
cars.parts $22,608
insurance.agency $22,606
insurance.australia $22,603
cell.phone $22,602
web.report $22,602
web.trade $22,598
cars.direct $22,597
web.free $22,592
insurance.life $22,592
insurance.canada $22,588
insurance.house $22,583
insurance.cars $22,577
web.links $22,576
insurance.direct $22,576
cars.australia $22,572
insurance.ireland $22,570
web.search $22,567
cars.toys $22,566
insurance.plan $22,566
web.design $22,566
web.designs $22,565
web.advertising $22,563
insurance.auction $22,563
cars.price $22,561
cars.auctions $22,560
insurance.journal $22,560
web.press $22,560
insurance.marketing $22,560
cars.insurance $22,560
insurance.market $22,559
cars.credit $22,558
cars.finance $22,558
insurance.job $22,558
cars.ireland $22,555
web.cars $22,555
insurance.law $22,555
insurance.world $22,554
web.mobile $22,552
web.team $22,552
web.show $22,551
cars.usa $22,551
web.builders $22,549
insurance.business $22,549
web.email $22,547
web.pages $22,547
cars.deals $22,547
web.star $22,546
web.academy $22,546
web.corp $22,546
insurance.india $22,546
cars.sales $22,546
cars.rental $22,545
insurance.plans $22,544
web.works $22,544
cars.sale $22,544
cars.mexico $22,543
insurance.attorneys $22,542
cars.loans $22,542
web.security $22,541
web.farm $22,540
web.hotel $22,540
web.marine $22,539
insurance.forums $22,539
cars.images $22,538
cars.photos $22,538
web.car $22,538
web.home $22,538
insurance.school $22,538
web.vision $22,537
web.band $22,537
web.card $22,537
insurance.times $22,535
web.exchange $22,535
web.plan $22,535
insurance.technology $22,535
web.photo $22,535
insurance.reviews $22,535
web.media $22,535
cars.club $22,535
cars.tube $22,534
insurance.association $22,534
insurance.exchange $22,534
insurance.prices $22,534
insurance.dental $22,534
web.tickets $22,534
web.village $22,533
cars.prices $22,533
web.auto $22,533
insurance.history $22,532
insurance.factory $22,532
web.deals $22,532
insurance.deals $22,532
web.india $22,532
cars.site $22,532
web.news $22,532
web.kits $22,531
web.gear $22,531
cars.houston $22,531
cars.companies $22,531
insurance.work $22,531
web.srl $22,531
web.shoes $22,531
cars.search $22,531
web.auction $22,530
web.japan $22,530
insurance.sites $22,530
cars.directory $22,530
cars.shop $22,530
cars.quotes $22,529
cars.outlet $22,529
web.download $22,529
web.test $22,529
cars.trade $22,528
web.shopping $22,528
web.casino $22,528
cars.miami $22,527
web.coupons $22,527
cars.loan $22,527
insurance.search $22,527
cars.reviews $22,527
insurance.attorney $22,526
insurance.toronto $22,525
insurance.consultants $22,525
insurance.consulting $22,525
insurance.insurance $22,525
insurance.guide $22,525
insurance.america $22,524
cars.rentals $22,524
web.world $22,524
web.guide $22,524
web.sale $22,524
web.poker $22,523
cars.racing $22,523
web.porn $22,523
web.movies $22,523
web.videos $22,523
cars.videos $22,523
web.consulting $22,523
cars.service $22,523
insurance.central $22,522
insurance.california $22,522
cars.land $22,522
web.institute $22,522
cars.international $22,522
web.hotels $22,522
web.university $22,521
web.data $22,521
web.factory $22,521
cars.japan $22,521
insurance.express $22,521
insurance.magazine $22,521
insurance.tax $22,520
cars.toronto $22,520
web.loans $22,520
web.music $22,520
web.production $22,519
cars.oil $22,519
insurance.loan $22,519
web.sport $22,519
insurance.capital $22,519
insurance.research $22,519
web.one $22,519
cars.repair $22,519
web.bar $22,519
insurance.test $22,519
cars.europe $22,519
insurance.family $22,519
insurance.finder $22,518
web.course $22,518
insurance.corporation $22,518
web.computers $22,518
insurance.report $22,518
web.place $22,518
insurance.london $22,518
cars.books $22,518
web.products $22,518
insurance.center $22,518
web.community $22,517
insurance.portal $22,517
web.tool $22,517
web.internet $22,517
cars.sites $22,517
web.properties $22,517
insurance.network $22,517
web.auctions $22,516
cars.spain $22,516
web.agent $22,516
insurance.finance $22,516
web.property $22,516
insurance.office $22,516
cars.trading $22,515
insurance.texas $22,515
cars.rent $22,514
cars.show $22,514
insurance.plus $22,514
web.tours $22,514
web.europe $22,514
cars.city $22,514
web.review $22,514
insurance.sale $22,514
cars.storage $22,513
cars.motors $22,513
cars.glass $22,513
insurance.discount $22,513
insurance.houston $22,513
insurance.corp $22,513
cars.wholesale $22,512
web.gold $22,512
insurance.global $22,512
web.loan $22,512
web.realestate $22,512
web.nyc $22,512
cars.review $22,512
cars.world $22,512
insurance.homes $22,512
web.society $22,511
web.shirt $22,511
insurance.atlanta $22,511
web.times $22,511
cars.discount $22,511
insurance.centre $22,511
web.solution $22,510
insurance.today $22,510
web.trading $22,510
insurance.mobile $22,510
web.events $22,510
web.ltd $22,510
web.direct $22,510
web.realty $22,510
web.law $22,510
insurance.international $22,510
web.insurance $22,510
insurance.service $22,510
insurance.inc $22,510
web.signs $22,509
web.italy $22,509
cars.mag $22,509
insurance.massage $22,509
web.md $22,509
cars.electronics $22,509
web.diet $22,509
web.berlin $22,509
insurance.tips $22,509
web.usa $22,509
web.inc $22,509
insurance.realestate $22,508
cars.buy $22,507
cars.centre $22,506
cars.texas $22,505
web.cafe $22,505
web.salon $22,502
insurance.home $22,501
insurance.chicago $22,500
house.insurance $22,200
car.hire $22,000
capital.news $21,540
online.dating $21,200
disney.world $20,850
ware.house $20,532
sex.shop $20,500
shopping.mall $20,250
air.canada $20,110
job.bank $20,040

 

You can watch a video on  DomainIndex.com explanation of its valuation of  new gTLD’s here:

http://www.screenr.com/Z1Q7

Filed Under: Domain Industry, Domain Tools, Domain Valuation, New gTLD's

About Michael Berkens

Michael Berkens, Esq. is the founder and Editor-in-Chief of TheDomains.com. Michael is also the co-founder of Worldwide Media Inc. which sold around 70K domain to Godaddy.com in December 2015 and now owns around 8K domain names . Michael was also one of the 5 Judges selected for the the Verisign 30th Anniversary .Com contest.

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Comments

  1. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    valuations are still way too high probably

    or at least not sustainable through hundreds of TLD releases… unless an incredible amount of new domainers arrives.. i expect this but just can see it sustaining $xx,xxx or even x,xxx type prices at first though…

  2. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Berkens,

    You missed the key interpretation, which is, if an advanced algorithm such as DomainIndex.com, is confused, or unable to keep up with the deluge of names, then how is the poor consumer going to get involved in these names? The obvious answer is that it would be too complicated for’em. What do consumers do when there are too many choices? They settle for more comfortable, less complicated, proven, conservative one. The .com.

    It’s the first or second rule of sales, keep it simple. Make no mistake about it, the public has to embrace these gTLDs in order for the thing to work. The other gTLDs and ccTLDs of the past are artificially buoyed by domainers, this time around, there ain’t that many domainers to sell these things to one another.

    So, back to what you missed in your analyses: NOT even the advanced algo of domainIndex.com can keep up with what gTLD is applied for, and which is not. That is what I distilled from your post. The synopsis of it.

  3. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:25 am

    ^^ meant to say i CANNOT see it sustaining $xx,xxx or even x,xxx type prices.

    if there are lots of high dollar sales i think it will be somewhat random.

    i.e. domains selling for $x,xxx while the plural/singular of that word gets hand reg’d…

  4. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Domenclature:

    you make it sound like the public knows how to value a .COM domain…. like they would NOT be confused about what to pay for a certain .COM ?

  5. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:31 am

    Addendum:

    I was going to leave an example.

    DomainIndex has Loan.Services at $24,500, and you are apparently protesting that it is too low.

    The following hack is just as good for consumers, and they haven’t registered it yet, it’s available for registration

    http://www.loansservic.es

  6. Michael Berkens says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Well there is the algorithm issue and the valuation and then there is the issue of a company in the space not even knowing what new gTLD have been applied for.

  7. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:36 am

    @Berkens,

    I was going to leave the following example.

    DomainIndex has Loans.Services at $24,011, and you are apparently protesting that it is too low.

    The following hack is just as good as far as consumers are concerned, and they haven’t registered it yet, it’s available for registration

    loansServic.es

  8. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:39 am

    valuations aside: loansServic.es is not just as good. are you being serious here?

    how do you say that over the phone?

  9. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:44 am

    @ontheinterweb

    Actually loansServi.ces, in my opinion, is better.

    It’s the ccTLD of Spain. At least, it’s a known quantity. The whole idea behind the new gtlds is “after the dot”, if that is what makes a name, then they are all hacks. What difference does it make where the dot is?

  10. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:50 am

    RE: “What difference does it make where the dot is?”

    lots of difference. say LoanServic.es out loud… now say Loan.Services

    you still see no difference?

  11. Michael Berkens says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Domen

    “DomainIndex has Loans.Services at $24,011, and you are apparently protesting that it is too low.:”

    Where did you see that in the post?

  12. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:54 am

    “you make it sound like the public knows how to value a .COM domain…. like they would NOT be confused about what to pay for a certain .COM ?” – ontheweb

    I’ve learned to give the public a lot of credit. The have the proper valuations for most domains, not domainers. The public understands that when you want your taxes done, you go to HR Block; when you want domain names, you register or buy a dot com.

    That’s all they know, and need to know.

  13. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:55 am

    @Berkens:

    I see it here —> “I know new gTLD registries are not going to be happy with these valuations as many are expecting multiple deals into the six figures for their super premium domain names”.
    – Berkens

  14. Andrew Allemann says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:59 am

    “I know new gTLD registries are not going to be happy with these valuations as many are expecting multiple deals into the six figures for their super premium domain names.”

    Michael, are you advising clients that they should expect multiple six figure deals?

  15. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 10:01 am

    i read the sentence and it says what it says… read it again.

    also, RE: “That’s all they know, and need to know.”

    actually, what they know is what the registrars tell them to know. like godaddy n stuff.. on the one hand you give regular people that are not following a particular situation a lot of credit for being informed..

    on the other hand you say “all they need to know is .COM”

    why is that all they need to know? what if they knew they could buy a premium .COM for $15,000 but could hand register a new gTLD for $37 ?

    wouldnt choice and saving money be a neat little option? you really dont think people would be interested in at least having more choice?

  16. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 10:11 am

    “why is that all they need to know? what if they knew they could buy a premium .COM for $15,000 but could hand register a new gTLD for $37 ?” — ontheinterweb

    @ ontheinterweb,
    This one I can answer without a guess work, sir. Actually, I will demonstrate it for you:

    Right now, the public can purchase many extensions for much cheaper than than after market .coms, and they can get free websites, including hosting from the likes of Google, Blogspot, etc, yet week after week, they spend hundreds of thousands, if not millions buying these dot coms. You have to discount the numerous .nets, .orgs, and other ccTLDs being purchased along by domainers, artificially keeping those extensions alive by selling them to each, like a giant pyramid scheme, I feel sorry for the last guy that would be left holding that big bag; there is only one extension: .com, and the public knows.

  17. Michael Berkens says

    June 26, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Andrew

    That’s a broad question that I will answer narrowly.

    I believe there are new gTLD domain names that are worth six figures if properly brokered and placed with end users, especially domains that are brandable and/or have huge opportunities for SEO.

    For those registries that are throwing all their inventory down one of the distribution channels as soon as they go live they will sell for pennies on the dollar.

    I would however stand by my statement that many registries believe they have set of six figure domain names.

  18. Michael Berkens says

    June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Also loanservic.es is unlikely to get indexed in Google as a generic (Google treats .es as a ccTLD not a gTLD)

  19. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Domenclature: .org and established ccTLD is a pyramid scheme?

    what about like .de and .co.uk ?

  20. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 10:46 am

    @Berkens,

    Remember, you also said “Here are the highest values placed by DomainIndex in general I would place a GIANT FAIL on this attempt”, so taken together, you ARE protesting the values placed on these names by domainindex.com, you went as far as scoring them a “FAIL” because, in your opinion, they valued them too low, and/or they placed, by preponderance, much more weight on hacks; so why are you evading something that you at the minimum implied? It makes no sense. I have to ask you to stop doing that, or I will have to, reluctantly, stop posting on your blog.

  21. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “Domenclature: .org and established ccTLD is a pyramid scheme?

    what about like .de and .co.uk ?” — ontheinterweb

    No, that is not what I said, or meant to say. I was saying that the act of domainers buying and selling .nets, and .orgs to one another, has articially made these extensions a trend; whereas, what I have been able to see so far, is that successful companies, and individuals, upgrade their nets and orgs to .com at the earliest possible ability.

  22. jose says

    June 26, 2013 at 11:10 am

    actually i have seen several ORGs dropping their .com version. doesn’t make sense to me but it makes to them

  23. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 11:17 am

    heh.. just a wild out there guess but the FAIL is probably because they are valuing TLD’s that havnt even been applied for. also by not recognizing TLD’s that have actually been applied for.

  24. onlinedomain.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 11:19 am

    I am not sure what DomainIndex.com is trying to do.
    It seems that hey are trying without any success to show authority in the domain industry and all they produce is this kind of fail.

  25. Andrew Allemann says

    June 26, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Michael, fair assessment.

    I’m afraid a lot of registries think they’re going to be able to sell a lot of premium domains right out the door like .mobi and .co did. Not going to happen.

  26. accent says

    June 26, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Top price for a Mobi in the years since the hype stopped is about $5000. That would represent the base market without much domainer support. And Mobi has over a million domains registered, few new gTLDs have a hope of that.

  27. Michael Berkens says

    June 26, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Domen

    I’m not “protesting” anything

    I’m saying a lot of the new Registries think they have some if not many six figure domains and therefore THEY would not be happy with the valuations.

    However I am saying that the whole “study” is badly flawed because it doesn’t include extensions like .NYC which arguably may have some of the higher valued domains and does include extensions that haven’t even been applied for

  28. Michael Berkens says

    June 26, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    correct

    They are not going to be happy

  29. Michael Marcovici says

    June 26, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    I could not comment earlier today, but here is my/Domainindex.com response:

    1) The list is the result of a study of how our algo treats nTLDs, it can only use a smaller part of our appraisal engine and it can only give a very rough estimate that is probably only interesting for relative value and not absolute one, mailny based on keyword data.

    2) One very important assumption for the appraisal is the size of the TLD, and clearly this is very difficult to estimate and has been put at the same size for every of these TLDs.

    3) There is no way to make a “right” appraisal for domains where everyone will agree, needless to say that its even harder for nTLD domains, what is more of interest to users is the relative value.

    4) We did not make a study of which applications are still valid and which ones not, we have also included some applications that might come up in a next round of applications and many included might have been declined.

    5) No new TLDs can be appraised on Domainindex.com, they can be only seen in these lists, so no need to try to appraise them right now, we support only existing TLDs.

    6) For paying subscribers there is a list of 1600 extensions that can be browsed and all 8 mio appraised names are listed there, the idea is to provide domain investors with ideas of more/relative to less valuable new domains.

    @Michael: if you login you will find .nyc as well as .club and anything else you are missing.

    also I think it might be fair to at least place a link to the tool, which is located here:

    http://domainindex.com/tools/new-tld-finder/nyc

  30. Domo Sapiens says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    coming from the fact that NOT even DOT COM domains the “Gold Standard” of domains CAN’T be appraised nor even remotely valued by any automated tool or mechanism, not today not tommrow , I think this tool is absolutely worthless with all due respect…

  31. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    it sounds desperate even trying to appraise any of these. you might as well use witchcraft.

    find another angle to help buyers/sellers… automated appraisals are 100% worthless.. especially for new gTLD’s.

    by the way, your estimates are way way way WAY too high. some on the list might even stay unregistered… seen whats available in .travel lately for $99 hand reg?

  32. ontheinterweb says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    web.travel

    Whois Record Not Available
    This domain is not registered.

    yet these other ones are gonna sell for 5 figures… pfffffff seriously?

  33. Michael Berkens says

    June 26, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Michael

    I actually do have an account and did login but still did not find any info on a quick appraisal for condos.nyc or night.club

    I understand the difficulty trying to automatically appraise domain names especially in extensions that don’t exist and for which there are no sales.

    What I still can’t understand is on the list of the highest valued new gTLD domains on the site this morning, the inclusion of extensions that have not been applied for, how did that happen?

  34. Domenclature.com says

    June 26, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    “What I still can’t understand is on the list of the highest valued new gTLD domains on the site this morning, the inclusion of extensions that have not been applied for, how did that happen?”
    — by Berkens

    @Berkens,

    I don’t understand why the above is making your eye-brows furrow with perplexity. It is a common phenomenon that unregistered domain names have appraisal value. One can quarrel with the assigned value, but it is very common. You can try it now, enter any domain name, registered or unregistered into estibot, domainindex, domainmongrel, valuate, etc, you will get an appraised value for that domain. So, why should unregistered names, extensions, or extensions. The exceptions are those engines that exclude based on supported or unsupported. Many engines do not support evn registered, and active extensions beyond .com, .net, and perhaps, org.

    For example domainmongrel.com values htr.nyc at $9

    see: http://domainmongrel.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&domain=htr.nyc&commit=Appraisal

  35. Michael Marcovici says

    June 27, 2013 at 6:47 am

    @ Michael
    In the normal appraisal or mass appraisal process at Domainindex no new TLDs can be appraised. There is a tool called “new TLD finder” and there is dropdown with lists of 1600 different extensions and (according to this study) the most valuable domains in each of these extensions. This includes extensions that are trademarks as well as some that could be applied for in the future or might meanwhile have been declined, this list is far from perfect, its a hint to domain investors to find valuable nTLD domains or even extensions for nTLDs.

    @ontheinterweb
    Yes there is no way to make a perfect appraisal of any domain, no 2 domainers even agree on the fair price of a domain, for services like domainindex or estibot the business is not to appraise single domains so much but to offer tools to mass-appraise various lists of domains at high speed and acceptable accuracy of drops, registered domains or not-registered domains, besides all the other datapoints we deliver.

  36. ontheinterweb says

    June 27, 2013 at 7:58 am

    hahaha.. so like you said, no 2 domainers even agree on the fair price of a domain.. how in the world would any auto appraisal tool be even the least bit useful then? how is this based on anything but throwing random dollar amounts in the air then?

    it is not a hint at all.. it is random numbers based on some weird algorithm not based on real life on this planet.

    trying to appraise new gTLD’s is ridiculous and probably the only reason these sites offer these services is to PANDER to domainers who dont know any better. everyone should drop the appraisal nonsense but its not going to happen cause its a feel-good thing to hear a domain is worth “something” instantly.

    watch and be amazed at domains selling for $xxx amounts that were appraised $xx,xxx… i know the supporters of auto appraisal tools will just say “well we said its not perfect”

    no its not anything at all… its random and based on nothing.

  37. Michael Berkens says

    June 27, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Michael

    I’m talking about this page

    http://domainindex.com/tools/new-tld-finder/top-new-tld-domains

    you have domain extensions on their as I noted in the story that WERE NOT APPLIED FOR

    .usa, .Europe etc etc

    Also since yesterday morning you now have the highest name Face.book which yesterday had a valuation of $xxx,xxx now at $12,000,000 how did that go up 100X from yesterday?

    Yesterday Car.Insurance had a value of $125,000 today its $196,000

    What happened yesterday that I missed to change the values of these domains?

  38. Domenclature.com says

    June 27, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Good morning Berkens,

    On the same list that you refer Marcovici to, it has the following two names:

    tele.phone $38,600
    teleph.one $38,203

    As you can see, the difference is the position of the dot. I gave an example of a similar unregistered name above, but I must repeat below, for convenience sake:

    loansServic.es $9 (unregistered)
    loans.Services $24,011

    So, do you see my point now? Elaborate for us.

  39. ontheinterweb says

    June 27, 2013 at 8:47 am

    here is the difference between LoanServic.es and Loan.Services:

    pretend we’re on the phone or talking in person.

    say LoanServic.es out loud…now say Loan.Services

    you still see zero difference between communicating those two?

  40. Michael Marcovici says

    June 27, 2013 at 8:47 am

    @Michael

    I think I explained by now 3 times that “yes” the list does include extensions that have not been applied for, we have ourselves extracted from zones possible valuable extensions and included them i this list. Again its not academic, its not complete, it includes also extensions that might never come to the market as well.

    Absolutely nothing has been changed in this list for weeks, to me it simply looks like you copied the list starting with health.insurance and not with face.book. (which was not inlcuded in your list yesterday)

  41. Domenclature.com says

    June 27, 2013 at 9:04 am

    @ontheinterweb

    Try saying the phone ones, and your example becomes unscientific, because you run into the same issue, but very lttle decline in value:

    tele.phone $38,600
    teleph.one $38,203

  42. ontheinterweb says

    June 27, 2013 at 9:29 am

    the problem is you’re taking the “values” seriously.

    nobody really paid those prices. its all pretend and make believe.

    if anything it shows (again) what a giant joke appraisals are.

  43. Domenclature.com says

    June 27, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    @ontheinterweb,

    Have you noticed the shifting dot on the .phone and .one example? You would at least acknowledge that it doesn’t matter where the dot is, like I said, because the value in the faux value is almost exact? I have to take the values seriously the values seriously, because, according to Berkens, they are even low.

  44. ontheinterweb says

    June 27, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    it does matter where the dot is.

    first off: stop taking these appraisals seriously like they mean something. some person just came up with random numbers and domains – ignore what they’ll telling you. they’re not real sales. they’re making up values out of thin air and using an irrelevant algorithm.

    now.. on to (again) why the dot matters: Loan.Services is pronounceable (pronounced LOAN DOT SERVICES)

    now explain to me and everyone else how you pronounce LoanServic.es ?

    Berkens never said the appraisals are too low according to his opinion… he is explaining to you from the perspective of the registries what THEY are expecting. i can explain lots of things from other peoples perspective… it doesnt mean i agree or endorse it.

  45. Domenclature.com says

    June 27, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    @ontheinterweb,

    You did not touch the ,phone, and .one example above. Is there a reason why? According to the list that Berkens pointed to, the following names, and prices are featured, I want you to correlate it to the example I gave with Loans.Services. For your information, when I say Loans.Services out loud, it doesn’t sound good, it only sounds good in the singular, Loan.Services. That is my point to say that Loans.Services is just as bad as the unregistered LoansServic.es.

    Now, here are the names I want you to comment on:

    tele.phone $38,600
    teleph.one $38,203

  46. ontheinterweb says

    June 27, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    tele.phone $38,600
    teleph.one $38,203

    both not very good domains. the numbers next to them are irrelevant and made up by somebody.

    why are you giving any credibility to the dollar amount appraisals? explain…

  47. Domenclature.com says

    June 27, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    @ontheinterweb,

    You have to follow the debate from the beginning. I am NOT giving those names any value whatsoever. I disagree with the valuations completely. To the contrary, I am debating with Berkens because, he is of the opinion that:

    DomainIndex.com valued the nGTLDs too cheaply, that the Registries will be upset with the numbers; even tho Berkens is trying to weasel out of his comments, he did say “Here are the highest values placed by DomainIndex in general I would place a GIANT FAIL on this attempt”.
    That statement commits him personally, not just the Registries. He infact said that some of the names, without the hacks, should be 7 figures! So, I decided to use the DomainIndex.com numbers as a minimum just for sake of this debate, since Berkens believes they are too low.

    What kind of debate would we have if Berkens is protesting the lowness of the figures, and I am protesting their highness? It will be a nonstarter. Therefore, I decided to use the domainindex numbers, as if they are real. The truth is that those numbers are inflated by 1000% or more.

  48. ontheinterweb says

    June 27, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    i understand the angle you’re coming from but that wasnt my interpretation of that post and i just read it again.

    i dont know the guy personally and just read the blog so there is no bias here.

  49. Michael Berkens says

    June 27, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    I think values are silly high

    tele.phone $38,600
    teleph.one $38,203

    The fact that they are priced over something like condos.nyc is ridiculous

  50. ontheinterweb says

    June 27, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    one of the points is this: in a “top 100 most valuable new gTLD’s” for example, why even include trademarks anywhere near the top?

    because certainly when appraising that many domains, super generic intuitive phrases are worth more than “gmail.email” even if we’re talking about in the $10 hand reg range – because “gmail.email” is worth $0 in real life… so why have it at the top..

    wait, this is real life isnt it?

  51. Michael Berkens says

    June 27, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    “Remember, you also said “Here are the highest values placed by DomainIndex in general I would place a GIANT FAIL on this attempt”

    Yes that was the list of the highest valued domains

    Yes its a fail

    “So taken together, you ARE protesting the values placed on these names by domainindex.com, you went as far as scoring them a “FAIL” because, in your opinion, they valued them too low”

    In some cases too low in other cases too high

    Hacks are overvalued, bang on generics under valued, for an example see above.

    “”I have to ask you to stop doing that, or I will have to, reluctantly, stop posting on your blog.””

    I don’t know how I will be able to survive

  52. Michael Berkens says

    June 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Mike

    night.club the 827th most valuable domain name in the .club extension?

    Worth less than 5% of habbo.club

    Fail

  53. Brands-and-Jingles says

    June 29, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Okay, took all those xxxxxx.yyyyyy and plugged them into the spreadsheet.

    Average length of xxxxxx = 5.09
    Average length of yyyyyy = 5.88

    Is it just me, or is it really feels weird that the tail is longer than the body?

  54. ontheinterweb says

    June 29, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    well 1,000’s of gTLD’s are a weird thing just by themselves… was the type of stuff people joked about years ago never thinking it would happen on this scale.

  55. Domenclature.com says

    June 29, 2013 at 8:32 pm


    I think values are silly high

    tele.phone $38,600
    teleph.one $38,203

    The fact that they are priced over something like condos.nyc is ridiculous – Berkens

    @Berkens,

    If you stated that in your piece, I wouldn’t have said anything at all. In my opinion, the entire post you made should have stopped with “I think the values are silly high”.


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