I’ve been following Mike Mann’s Facebook page where yesterday he said he wound up registering almost 11,000 domain names.
The Facebook post started off by saying that Mike registered 4,793 domain names, at the next update the number of registrations hit 6,640 and by the end of yesterday Mike had registered “almost 11,000 domains”
The 11,000 domain names were compiled from an ongoing list of domain names he has been working on for a while:
“Almost 11,000 names registered Tuesday from pending list I had built up.”
For Mike who has been in the business since the 1990’s, it was a personal one day record for the most number of domains registered in one day.
All of Mike Mann domain names including the ones registered yesterday are on DomainMarket.com
Call Guinness
It only takes 1 sale, or 2 or 3 depending to pay for the whole thing.
Much of Domaining is law of large numbers.
That is a big investment in the dotCom, prior to the new gTLDs! Let’s hope for Mike’s sake it pays off!
I think it will, but not in a spectacular way…
It’s gonna be a case of “stack em high and sell em cheap”…
Maybe Mike knows this…
DJ
So, now that there’s been confirmation that yet another well-known domain investor hand-registered this many names, we’d all appreciate it if the bloggers and ‘expert’ pundits finally shut up about how newbies must avoid hand-registering domains because “all the good ones are long gone?” And I note, that these are always the same guys who try to convince the newbies to invest their $8K life savings in a name that they, themselves, just acquired for $875 two days earlier.
Given the volume and (short) time-frame of these registrations, you can surmise that (a) all the names were somehow related (perhaps all variations on one or two brandable names), (b) they marry either area codes or zip codes to a particular theme, or (c) they pertain to holograms, given the massive success of the Tupac Hologram event.
Would be very interesting to learn more about what’s up his sleeve…
Gene
Just for the record, I have never told anyone not to hand register domain names, still do it myself as well, but not in these numbers
Oh, I’m definitely not referring to you, Michael – I know that you don’t issue such ‘warnings’ about the evils of hand-reg. But the guys who do, know who they are.
@ Gene
When a “newbie” sends you a list of 200 domain names they just hand registered and none of them make sense (like backwards keyword terms in random ccTLD extensions), you’ll understand why I don’t recommend that “newbies” go out and spend thousands of dollars on hand registered names.
In my opinion, one good $2,000 name beats 200 worthless hand registered domain names every day of the week. Both have an initial cost of $2k, but the better name only costs $10 to renew in a year while the domain owner needs to decide whether to cut bait on his 200 names or spend another $2k on his “investment” (plus the 7% Verisign rate hike).
Of course I wouldn’t recommend that someone goes out and buys a $2,000 name without experience, but I think $2,000 is better spent on one good name than a bunch of bad ones.
Funny how the “expert” crawls out of the woodwork to defend himself even though his name wasn’t mentioned.
@Gene,
After reading your comment, I knew EXACTLY to whom you were referring – as did anyone else who reads these blogs.
Love the defensive comment, E. – stay classy.
I agree with and second what Elliot posted above.
Despite all the great advice on how to properly invest in quality domains, the amount of ridiculous names that a large number of domain investors waste money on registering is astonishing.
Go look at the domain groups on Facebook for example. It’s a daily comedy show of the junkiest domains imaginable being pitched for sale.
Elliot is spot on.
@Gene,
OK, so I have 2,000 names, half of which are ccTLDs. Including 7.co.za, USA.co.za etc.
Should I chuck them and go buy a so-called premium one for a few grand?
Sounds to me a bit like putting all your eggs in one basket…
I have seen many an overhyped big ticket sale end in a resale at half the value purchased!
There is a lot to choosing the right domain – but as our Man, Mike knows, there is even more to selling them, and it ain’t all that noble….
DJ
I think experienced people can certainly do well with hand registered names. I also think some others can do well on occasion with hand registered names, too. Hell, hand registering domain names is how I got started in 2003/04.
It’s not part of my business model to hand register names today that I hope will sell in 3-5+ years. I don’t carry a whole lot of inventory. Some people do, and that’s fine if you know what you’re doing.
Registering hundreds of names to spread out the risk is only wise if you have a clue about what makes a domain name valuable to someone else.
+1 Elliott
IMHO, Elliot has “jumped the shark” with regards to his expertise in domaining – the game has changed and he’s scrambling to keep up. His blog has gone downhill over the past couple of years, again IMHO (and in the opinion of almost every domainer I talk with).
@DomNics
To answer your question, how are sales going? If you are in the black then you are on track.
It would be good for everyone if less new registrations were occurring. It would really clean up online marketplaces like Sedo and so on. Sometimes I tell a friend who is curious about what I do to check out Sedo. Usually I get a wtf email about what they see.
+2 Doc
Doc
Your comment about Elliot is really inappropriate and misplaced here.
The post is about Mike Mann registering 11K domains yesterday, nothing to do with Elliot, blogs in general or life on mars
@JP, To date the domains have always paid for themselves at the very least. I only go on a buying spree when I sell…
I guess the trick is what you do with them while you hold them.
I believe, like property, Most domains are usable in some way some time. Even if it is a shephard’s stone hut in the remote outback it still has value to the shephard.
Unfortunately the shephard is always out tending his flock or chasing coyote’s, so he is kinda hard to find! LOL
I agree though that domainers are shooting themselves in the foot by monopolising so many domains.
Lets’ be honest, 11,000 domains is a tad greedy no?
If dotCOM domains were more freely available or at least at reasonable prices, the gTLDs might never even have been concieved…. sadly we all hold on for that BIG sale which is probably not going to happen anymore… those days are gone!
@Michael,
He’s a prominent blogger dispensing advice on your blog. I stand by my comments and as I said, many agree with them.
In terms of turnaround (maturation) there is really not much difference in either strategy, spending a massive amount $2,000 – $4,000 on a domain, or hand registering a calculated (emphasis) number domains over a period of time. Ideally, it’s wise to do both. I think it’s those that get fixated on either method that are the one’s missing opportunities. Both require patience and enough resources to carry you through the waiting period before your domains acquire additional value.
“I stand by my comments and as I said, many agree with them.”
Looks like you only have one comment (which wasn’t really a comment)… unless you are also posting under a different alias.
In any case, I stand by my opinion on hand registered domain names. Do it if you know what you’re doing.
Based on the list of recently added domains on the Domain Market website, it looks like he picked up some nice TM´s too. Good luck with that.
I think what most take issue with, is this outdated, elitist attitude that only they or their mentors posses this elusive ability to hand register winners and that all of them were harvested years ago. The Domain Kings (read between the lines) have tried to perpetuate through their blogs and rants that only they posses this magical gift and that anyone else who tries to do so is a fool. Trust your instincts, but do your homework, tomorrows winners are being harvested today.
I think Dean is on point.
Ultimately, you need to decide what your investment strategy is as well as your horizon for earning a return.
@ Elliot
I have no issue with buying names from others, but I don’t like when domainers try to push their holding on to other domainers (deliberately). All’s fair if you offer a name for $X, and the buyer just happens to be a domainer – that’s fine. But (…and I’m not saying that you do this) I just wish that everyone would focus [solely] on pitching end-users.
Regarding hand registrations: There is still a ton of untapped potential; and IMHO it’s better for a newbie to learn a $5K lesson on crappy registrations (and learning the associated lessons of failure) than for him to spend $2K on a name, then another $10K-$20K on development – money which he didn’t have, so now he’s borrowed from his credit cards to do so -, and risk complete bankruptcy.
Granted, that that scenario could happen with an $8 name as well (i.e., the development failure), but it’s more likely to occur when someone has, in fact, put all their eggs in that one basket.
I completely agree that if someone’s going to focus on hand registrations (only) they’d better know what they’re doing, and be willing to sit tight for a long time.
@Elliot,
I think you would agree that either strategy will take some time and that there are seldom overnight millionaires. It’s part strategy, numbers, and waiting game.
@Dean,
You sound like a cry-baby…WAH!! WAH!! WAH!!
I meant Gene, not Dean.
Sorry, I’m cwazy!
certainly interesting
be more interested to see a random selection of 500 of the new regges
Can we somehow get a glance at a small sample of the 11,000 hand registered domains?
That would be way more interesting as it shows what Mike looks for and what is still available.
I’m sure someone like Jamie/DW can look up by change in DNS to find them but not sure he will.
Blah blah blah yak yak yak
Domaining is just a word game
Sold BullshitDomains and bullshitseo dot com
and for “BullS”…pending offers
uh. oh, Elliot is taking on the holo/tin foil hat domainers. I’m making some popcorn. They’re a feisty bunch.
Mike seems a little egotistical, no?
A few of his new reg’s…
MikeMannRocks.com
MikeMannisthebest.com
MikeManniswinning.com
MikeManncankickyourass.com
none of those are registered
@BullS – just shows ya – your bullshitdomains sells before my BullBonds.com sells…
Domaining is about selling not buying! Wanna sell my Bull?
If telco’s can sell the stupid concept of TXTing to a whole generation, what can’t you sell them? Mike knows this…
A joke Mike…
@3d
“tin foil hat domainers” I like that, it has a more respectable ring to it than pigeon shit domainers.
UPDATE
Final total from Yesterday, 13,140 registrations
Of course you gotta go all the way to $100k if you are that close.
I can’t help but feel like he could have had a hell of a shopping spree at NameJet for the same money.
6 to one half dozen to another right?
Hey give Mike M some Kudos
when comes to domaining be contrarian
think outside the feaking box
at least we all know dot com is KING
Mike’s strategy it’s different then most of us.
It appears the this method works,he has the money to renew them.
I agree with Elliot on one thought.You need to be an experienced domainer to buy so many and not to go wrong.Mike knows the market and the domains.
To some domainers this domain ” giftbasketchocolate.com ” it’s garbage because the key words are reverse,but to some one that don’t wanna spend 20k for the right/proper way”chocolategiftbasket.com” the first option it’s fine. You know why? because he could buy it for less then $2k.
Frank sold siteweb.com for $90k
What i’m saying is that there is a market for every budget.
Domain Market , Buy Domains and Huge Domains success consists in cheaper domains and volume.Buy for $8 and sell for $1,000.
That’s the key of their success.
“13,140 registrations” that is one hellava nut to carry, someone is going to either crash and burn or make a lot of money… or both!
Law of large numbers folks. The Mann has found a methodology for registering domain names that makes X profit per domain, per day. X is probably not very big, so register 13k domains and X times 13k probably = something noticable on a daily level.
If he screwed up then X will be a little bit lower than usual but hopefuly > 0
If he has improved over his last batch of registrations then X will go up a little, which is great.
Same concept with domains that cost $2k a pop, just surprisingly more fault tolerant.
People need to focus on X. If you get X > 0, and can do that N times, you’ve got a business.
Rich has a good point: Value or Volume, either could work if you have the right resources and methodology.
So what is the strategy they need to yield 100k from those domains to break even, only way to move so many fresh reg’s is to spam them out to prospective end users.
Great, more people will think domainers are scum of the earth as their in boxes fill up with cheap pitches of fresh drop domains.
Yes, Domain Market has sent me spam on many occasion more so recently from Matthew Biesinger Domain Broker at DomainMarket.com, for some reason emailing random people on a daily basis for spammy reasons makes you a self proclaimed domain broker.
@Ron – Needs to yield 100k PER YEAR
@MHB – You should update the post title. Gotta keep up with The Mann
Ron has a good point: Quality or Quantity, buy a ton of mediocre domains, outsource to the Philippines or desperate “Domain Broker” telemarketer and you have a business.
He must be in bed all day today, like a marathoner recovering from a race.
@3d
Good point. Imagine how much work that probably was, and I’m being serious.
I’ll bet this was many, many hours of work.
I’ve gone on new reg benders and it was definitely nighttime when I got up from the computer and the end result may have been 100 names at most.
13,000 domain names in one day. Wow! I didn’t realize that you could spell facebook that many ways!
Newbie domainers, please check with your doctor before attempting such a feat.
I would imagine one must build train considerably. Start small, 100, then 500, when you get your groove and feel comfortable see if you can do 1000. Keep building your endurance over time.
Were they all .com domains MM registered? Would be nice to see a sample of a few.
Could possibly be a blanket of Geo’s, or Zip Codes, or popular number ending. Has to be some theme to it, take into account 75,000 domains drop a day, really just a drop in the bucket. These automated pre expiry brokers, and spammy end user discount marketers are really working against us. They basically send a message: domains are a dime, a dozen, and can be had for less than what the average domainer expects for them.
All being potential end users rank anyone direct selling a domain as the lowest common denominator. You will all feel your domain sales being down, as these people are reaching your target audience before they have a chance to even consider your domain, or make other offers.
There maybe more domain sales in the marketplace, but seems to be a push back from end users on pricing above $2k…
Like all small men, Michael Mann’s grandiose behavior is once again noted. I am not impressed, nor do I condone his outrageous price gouging practices. Anyone who pays a little over $200.00 for an expired domain name at auction and then turns around and tries selling it the following week for $100,000 is sociopathic. Am I the only one here who also wonders why his international country domain names have never sold? In my opinion, Michael Mann hides behind Grassroots.org, and in reality he is nothing more than a selfish little man who seems to enjoy holding back the reigns of global commerce. If Michael really cared about microfinancing action, he would be much more philanthropic in deeds.
Les Class@
LOL
Mike Mann@
Can you show us a domain list from yesterday with,let’s say letter M?
I personally want to see what domains where still available.Thank you
Wow, that’s more that there are .LY in its entire existence 😉
Would be nice to see a sample of the list before judging it.
I have found a list of the recent reg’s there are so many so cut and pasted a few…
aaaaffordableplumbing.com
aaaassistance.com
aaaautopainting.com
aaaautorepairshop.com
aaabees.com
aaabodyshop.com
aaabrake.com
aaaburglaralarm.com
aaacarpetexpress.com
aaafabric.com
aaalocksmithservices.com
aaamedicaltransportation.com
aaamobilegrooming.com
aaaqualitycare.com
aaassociatesrealty.com
aaataxilimousine.com
aadecorating.com
aairporttaxiservice.com
aallappliancerepair.com
aamericanart.com
aandmuk.com
aaplumb.com
aasphaltmaintenance.com
abacusapartments.com
abargainstore.com
abarkingdog.com
abathstore.com
abbeycarpetcleaning.com
abbronzarsi.com
abcbuildingmaintenance.com
abccomputingservices.com
abcdiscountstore.com
abcdiscountstores.com
abcemploymentagency.com
abcfabric.com
abcfamilygames.com
abcfinewine.com
abcmortgagefunding.com
abcrelocationsystems.com
abcvideoproductions.com
abdallh.com
abdaziz.com
abdelillah.com
abdhulla.com
abdominalpainrelief.com
abelincolnplumbing.com
abgruende.com
abigtruck.com
abilenecenter.com
abilityautomotive.com
abiunity.com
abjectives.com
ablepractice.com
ablerecruiting.com
abletosee.com
ablevita.com
abolderimage.com
aboncoeur.com
abookoflove.com
I wonder what these domains were mostly about.
The highest number of domain I have bought in one day is 30 but I develop 80% of domains I buy so it’s still a great number for me.
…and he did it with his eyes closed!
All kidding aside, I wish him the best of luck with his investments. he is in the game to win, and that is what I like!
It could be a new niche he found.
@Mark are you jealous?
@ G Ariyas
Criticism isn’t always a bad thing, as long as it is warranted, and done tastefully.
Not sure why anyone would be jealous, I have seen the list of names registered, and they are ones anyone of us would pass up everyday. The domains require work, they require emailing, and following up with potential end users, or soon to be end users. It is no different than going to a casino, just rolling the dice, and hoping you can make enough money before you luck runs out.
Same thing here, spend 100k on domains, spam the heck of them, try to make your $100k+cost+profit back before renewal time, or your toast.
I think most end users are going to put extensive opt in emails, or spam blockers into place, I have a 2-3 different companies spamming me on a daily basis, after I have asked to be removed.
Here is a sample of some of the domains registered:
maandamano.com
macane.com
magicmaidservices.com
magulang.com
maidshouse.com
mainstreetstyling.com
managementoffices.com
mattedpictures.com
mccarthyinsuranceagency.com
mcneilchiropractic.com
mdsclub.com
membershealthplan.com
mercyhomeservices.com
metrofloraldesign.com
metroscreening.com
Would be interesting to know how many were 1 and 2 word .com’s.
What’s also interesting is that you said it was an ongoing list
Would be curious to know how many of his ongoing list were taken when he decided to register them all at once (i.e. was his list 15000 names?)
Definitely, still plenty of .com names available for hand regs
Just need to put the work in and be willing to speculate
For the domaining world, I would say this achievement can be compared to Wilt Chamberlain dropping 100 in a single game.
Ron,
Thanks for the sample list. Those names are best left unregistered and I am a fan of reg fee domains.
For the domaining world, I would say this achievement can be compared to Wilt Chamberlain dropping 100 in a single game.
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That’s a great example of a totally failed mentality.
There is no achievement in acquiring domain names.
The achievement comes when you turn a profit from those domains- parking, development, resale, whatever your strategy may be.
Owning domain names means nothing. Making money owning domain names is what matters.
He just registered 11,000+ domain names, meaning he just took on a $90,000 annual nut.
At a 1% sell-through rate, he needs to average $820 per to remain black, exclusive of parking. Seems easy enough, but it isn’t. Volume doesn’t guarantee anything but Mike Mann is a highly experienced domain speculator, so the playing field looks quite different to him than it will to Mr. “3d Is My Life”.
Anon, don’t hate the player, hate the game.
You might recall he recently sold his old house, so I guess the money had to go somewhere…
He is just buying stock for his saleforce – “stack em high, sell em cheap”…
Word is that Mann burned through 3 PCs in this record breaking effort. Associates pleaded for him not to push himself too hard. He didn’t listen to them and summoned courage akin to that displayed by Jordan in the epic 1997 “Flu Game” against the Jazz. And when it was over, he had to be helped up from his PC by these friends. They all knew they had just seen something special.
The list of names is readily available to view. The names are unadulterated garbage. Two worders is nothing, he has some 4 and 5 worders in there
aandmuk.com
mccarthyinsuranceagency.com (winner winner)
inhomebusinessopportunity.com
livingwatersinternational.com
greatexpectationsdatingservice.com
embassyoftheworld.com
dentallaboratoryassociation.com
demolitionwastemanagement.com
deliverancecenterministries.com
deerparkmiddleschool.com
custommachiningandfabrication.com
custommaidcleaningservices.com
crossroadswesleyanchurch.com
cradleofaviationmuseum.com
correctionalmedicalservice.com
and these are some of the better ones
And they say Brittany Spears can’t handle money.
This guy needs some serious help!
Collosalwasteofcash.com and collosalwasteofspace.com are available mike
@3D
The NBA has become a boring product, this has nothing to do with Wilt, or Jordan.
This is someone making a calculated bet, they can sell xxx amount of domains for xxx amount of dollars, and see if they can make a profit. $100K is a drop in the bucket for this person, so most likely it is more of an experiment, this has nothing to do with being a superstar in the NBA, stupidest thing I ever heard of your analogies. Sorry, it has to be said…
Famed Chinese Philosopher Chung Heng say:
If an infinite amount of monkeys play an infinite amount of electric guitars for an infinite period of time, eventually they play Jimi Hendrix Star Spangled Banner.
Well personally I would welcome anyone who wants to compare me to Wilt Chamberlain by any measure
))::
Wilt was a decent basketball player by today’s standards, but it is his off court score’s that are stuff of legend.
ron@
thank you for the M list
Personally i would pass on those names.
Dean
The off the court stuff is the comparison I wouldn’t mind
wouldn’t be true in my case, but still…
MHB,
I think most men would love to have been in his shoes, or maybe his middle finger. I think if it is true, he makes Ron Jeremy look like an amateur 😉
and a lot less hairy
We eventually did 13,140 domains yesterday, a lot of scraps but tons of gems that will pay out in spades. Presumably you see my daily sales and are sick of me proving you all wrong all the time.
Mike
I watch your daily sales, $20K+ every day quite impressive.
Congrats
Where can I follow the daily sales?
…I KNOW you’re good Mike!
Your sales you post every day on facebook speaks for itself. You don’t have to even say a word to the malcontents and begrudgers…
The whole batch of 13,000 cost about 100K. 10% of those names start with letter A including below. So is this group worth $10,000? Then you will know if this is a good investment overall. Also I am not claiming this is my best investment, just clean up work that will be somewhat profitable in the long run. For best ideas see http://www.bestpracticesguide.com and http://www.makemillions.com
abdominalpainrelief.com
abilityappraisals.com
abilityautomotive.com
ablerecruiting.com
abstractartdealers.com
academichigh.com
accentsinteriors.com
accreditedrecovery.com
aclearanswer.com
actiondeliveryservice.com
adesperatehousewife.com
advanceddermatologyclinic.com
advantageclinic.com
affordablefinishing.com
africangroceries.com
afriendontheoutside.com
againstdomesticviolence.com
airporthotelexpress.com
alcoholcommission.com
allbatteryservice.com
allcustomauto.com
alliedcreditservice.com
allphaseautomotive.com
allpoolmaintenance.com
alternateid.com
altsupply.com
amazingaddition.com
amazingautoservice.com
americaconstruction.com
americanautoexport.com
americancardiologist.com
americandreamkeepers.com
americanenergyfund.com
americanheavyequip.com
americanlaminating.com
americanmedicalprofessionals.com
americanmedicalrecruiters.com
americanspecialtyfoods.com
americarentacar.com
americatransmissions.com
amishschool.com
amodernwoman.com
amuseyourfriends.com
ancientmartialarts.com
animalhealthsciences.com
anytimeheat.com
applecleaningservice.com
applehealthservices.com
applesnpairs.com
applianceservicegroup.com
appliedwaste.com
approvedfinancialservices.com
approvedhomemortgages.com
apracticalwoman.com
aprotax.com
aqualityautorepair.com
architecturalcontracting.com
architecturaldrafters.com
areaassociates.com
armedwarfare.com
armymedicalcenter.com
artdancecompany.com
artforthecity.com
arthritisaction.com
artisanbody.com
artisanhairsalon.com
artisticarchitecture.com
asecretsociety.com
asharedjourney.com
asiafoodstore.com
asiandelightrestaurant.com
asiapacificnet.com
aslightedge.com
assurancefinance.com
assuredhealthservices.com
asthmaallergyspecialists.com
asthmaandallergyassociates.com
asthmaimmunology.com
asthmaphysicians.com
astoryofsurvival.com
asymmetricaldesign.com
atherapeuticapproach.com
athomehospitality.com
athousandbucks.com
atlasadjusters.com
atouchofbeautysalon.com
atticfashion.com
atyourcleaningservice.com
atyourpersonalservice.com
automarineservice.com
automaticfix.com
awellearnedbreak.com
Wow some shockers in that lot …….quality over quanity may have been better
@Mike
Your daily sales is $20k+. Mind to share how do you find buyers? Or do buyers contact you first?
Everyone plays the game different. I will say this reminds me of me of when all these guys came into options trading and had their computers do all the trading for them. The other guys told them they were going to lose their ass because a good trader would kill their programs. Now the computers are the commonplace and the human traders are the minority. Many different ways to make money, even in domain buying and selling.
I will also add in a person that always has to prove themselves is either always pushing boundaries and doing things different or very insecure.
yesterday was last day to file irs tax, and I wonder mike was not willing to pay 100k back to the irs, instead he took that in to investment, or loss, or investment with no profit.
Smart Move MIKE!
@elliot.
I agree with you 100%.
@GENE.
Go spend 100k on hand reg ..come back to defend inly if u have profit.
Dont take mike as a winner here. Because mike has deep pockets n they do crazy yhings as such when there is irs etc payback time to govt.
also lot of othet factors.
Show me one newbie prrson who been duccessful from their hand teg today.
Excuse my typos am typing from phone
Jin
You can’t change what you owe in taxes for 2011 by spending money buying domains in 2012
SO, in the end this is a no brainer..
Does one give 100k to the Tax man or indulge it on the domain industry.
Personally I could think of better ways to spend it. The problem is it had to be spent quickly and by buying domains, the odds are probably better than the lottery.
To be honest though, I doubt very much MM or anyone else with a winning recipe is going to be putting it our on here… I suspect I know what he is up to, but don’t have the cashflow or time to indulge my suspicions….
@ jin
I wasn’t taking any sides between people (Elliot vs. Mike) in my comments, but only defending against the constant stream of articles that we’re all read over the years by bloggers who love to warn everyone against the evils of hand-registrations.
I have no problem with reading the “be careful to not overdue it…” pieces (because, frankly, not everyone has great instincts, or has travelled the painful learning curves required). But when you see the posts make blanket statements about the stupidity of not having the bulk of your investments made in the aftermarket, I get very suspicious. That type of ‘advice’ should be directed toward end-users/buyers, not domainers.
And as far as hand-registrations are concerned…I would NOT advise folks to randomnly select 3 & 4 keyword names (…that ‘are still available’). My (personal) style is to corner a particular niche, particularly in the future tech realm, which is a strategy that requires lots of patience, fairly deep pockets, and about 6 hours per day of research. If, instead, you prefer to flip names, then you probably should stay away from hand-registering names, in general. Pony up the $2K or $3K for a ‘decent’ name, and cross your fingers that it works out…just like the domainer/seller tells you that it will.
The only thing happening here is good quality investing despite high risk, but keep in mind Ive sold more domains than anyone, and built and sold more companies, so its a little less risky than it may appear, and this is actually charity work if you were to pay any attention for once. http://www.mikemann.com
africangroceries.com
Brilliant. Sheer brilliance.
Temp those who are starving with grocery names.
The Mann is a genius.
What is an africangrocery though?
ANyways big props to Mike you da Mann, as a result of this thread I have gone out and registered all available similar (continenet)grocery.com names
SouthAmericanGroceries.com
AsiaGroceries.com
AntarcticaGroceries.com
Thanks for the insight!
OK here’s a deal:
I have 2,000 domains, some very unique ones.
I am willing to average the price to 150 USD per domain… (many are worth x,xxx or more)
So you can have my entire portfolio for 300K ! Bargain….!
Bet you Mikie would take that deal on his 13k domains today! I would…
My thought is this. When I look at Dnjournal (I have been a domainer for 6 years) Easily 40% of the sales is compost. i wouldn’t back over them to save my life! So ANYONE that says people don’t buy “weak to weaker”including that one guy “the swartzee” shit is UTTERLY AND DAMNDABLY WAY WRONG! Go ahead ask little to nothing ask big for the “has potentials”. Personally anybody that moves domains i don’t make eye contact with I’m scared they will see me for what I truly am a filthy purveyor of domain smut that i have yet to move. You might even catch me in the bathroom “day dreaming” of a 20K sale in one year. Usually I wash up afterword. Hat’s off Daddy Mike I won’t speak unless spoken to.
Son of Spam,
lol
@mike
Thanks i totally was confused on the years. So my apilogy.
Its not i doubt mike mann he is very successful. He knows what he is doing i bet.
I personally pick elliot advice on investing if i was started domaining today.
Thanks all
Here’s the list from 4/17
http://www.dailychanges.com/domainmarket.com/2012-04-19/
Unbelievable
I don’t know how can he make money with this type of names.
It’s a mystery…
More from the list 13K list for you to appraise. Once you have average value per name you can figure out if I got a good deal:
cardiovascularphysician.com
caribbeanresortspa.com
carolinamanufacturing.com
carpetfloorcoverings.com
catholicschoolspirit.com
ceohealthclub.com
certainflair.com
certifiedprime.com
checkthemanual.com
chinachanges.com
chinesefoodcatering.com
chinesekosher.com
christmascardservice.com
christmasgifting.com
christmasmadness.com
christmaspromotion.com
christmassentiments.com
chronicusers.com
churchcooperative.com
churchincrisis.com
civilunionrights.com
classactsalon.com
classicalmusicfest.com
classicautomarket.com
cleanandcrisp.com
colorectalphysicians.com
backonthebeat.com
badboyband.com
badhousewife.com
balancedprotein.com
balloonmanufacturers.com
bangkoknoodle.com
bangkokthaifood.com
bankmodification.com
baptistchurchcamp.com
bathconversions.com
beachfrontbnb.com
beachhouseservices.com
beadingcrystals.com
beautifulbuffet.com
belowthemarket.com
bibleschoolsupplies.com
bicyclingteam.com
bigbreastvids.com
blognewsservice.com
bluesmusicmuseum.com
booksforthebeach.com
breakfastheaven.com
Mike
I like these
cardiovascularphysician.com
caribbeanresortspa.com
certainflair.com
certifiedprime.com
checkthemanual.com
cleanandcrisp.com
bankmodification.com
bicyclingteam.com
booksforthebeach.com
Consider this presentation defining the greater purpose of Mike Mann’s business, goals and strategies on his website:
“We Do A Diligent Job Of Trying To Acquire the Very Best Domains”
http://www.mikemann.com/blog/2011/12/16/we-do-a-diligent-job-of-trying-to-acquire-the-very-best-domains/
“Mann: That’s really the point. We do a diligent job of trying to acquire the very best domains, and again, 99.99 percent are for sale at DomainMarket.com.”
Does anyone believe that Mike Mann’s acquisition of more than a thousand of the “Very Best Domains” has been done with with “Due Diligence”?
Considering the way Mike Mann does his business I have no doubt that his latest registrations will be profitable.
@mike
I like few domains from that list, but i still feel that was risky bet if i was a newbie.
Good luck with the names.
many years ago, netsol didn’t bother to collect fees. some folks got a free ride for a while.
the only question i have for mr. mann is how many of these registrations are being paid for via a credit facility?
no doubt vrsn welcomes all the registration activity.
@jin
Mike has advantage because he has lots of salesperson to find endusers and do the selling for him..I doubt he received call or email asking to purchase the domains for $x,xxx.
I still maintain its a numbers game. If you have 10 domains like this you may sell one that more than pays for all 10, including all the renewals every 20 years. Renewals for 10 for 20 years is roughly $2k so let’s say you will sell one every 20 years for $2,500.
If you own 13k names like this then you will sell let’s say 4 every month for an average price of $2,500. So in 12 months you sell $120k in domains, and 20 years $2.4M which is $400k profit over renewal cost.
The cash flow out only happens once a year (like a tax) but the in-flow many times, so aside from the $20k annual profit from the 13k names it creates quite a useful monthly cash flow.
Keep in mind these 13k names are not his only names.
I’m sure he or MHB can tell you exactly how much a single domain is worth to them if you breakdown the formula.
For example, with the numbers I used above, here Mann just needs to find a way to sell only 4 domains a month out of 13k domains, each domain ends up being roughly worth $1.54 a year in profit, whether it sells or not.
The 13k domains only need to be so good to accomplish selling 4 a month.
So Mann’s job and MHB’s job is to find a way to improve their system of picking and selling domains so that the per unit value goes up, even if just 1 penny. It’s a volume thing.
Also bear in mind that these calculations above are assuming that the domains make $0 a year in parking.
Bottom it’s a bit of a bankroll thing, and both of these folks were smart enough to produce a bankroll in the first place, probably working their asses off, and now it’s down to a money making system that you can’t really compare to someone who newly registers 1000 domains. Apples to oranges. The 1000 domains guy, assumin the domains are of the same quality, should be placed under a 5 year microscope to see the result and these guys are on a 1 week microscope to see a result.
Your new reg’s may be working better than Mann’s but you won’t find out if you should ramp up for a looooooooong time.
I’ve rambled enough.
Nice analysis, Jp.
If you won all the major domain auctions on Namejet, Snapnames and Godaddy for a week, would that amount to $100k?
I’d rather spend the $100k that way.
Here are some of my auction wins over the past week (total cost: $3,500):
mbamarketing.com
inpatientrehab.com
washablerugs.com
camotape.com
kokoomus.com
webcamsadult.com
energymutualfunds.com
ween.org
adult-add.com
blowermotor.net
encription.com
freeonlinephone.com
mitralvalvereplacement.com
urheberrechte.com
mesothelioma-information.com
folding-bicycle.com
bankruptcylawyerny.com
maternityunderwear.com
drfeet.com
Thanks Tony.
Everybody is so critical of everyone else on the blogs. It’s like a troll parking lot.
And folks I’m sure Tony isn’t spending $3,500 a week on domains if he is losing money on it before you all “appraise” his domains.
I think it just sucks if you’ve bought a bunch of domains that didn’t work out and you watch other people be successful at what you think is the same thing.
The two take-aways are, 1) maybe it’s not the same thing, and 2) maybe it is but you are on such a smaller scale and you need to re-align your expectations.
I kill it on namejet too if you hadnt noticed
We also funnel the traffic to a network of portals we own and corporations we own to get more leverage from the names. Most of those domains will sell for $350 each but some are worth 10-20K, that list is lower end but I bought 500 high end finance names this week and tons on auctions and drops also. And we run a bunch of great corporations and charities this week and every week, please see links at http://www.mikemann.com
He probably registered the junk we drop and misses out on excellent sites that score major traffic with a few good articles.
Even though 11,000 domains were registered, how many of the domains have potential? Are these domains he plans to retain for many years?
It’s obvious his company registers everything most domainers drop. Of course, the domains have some search value.
He only needs to sell less than a half of a half of a percent of them a month to make money. Why is it so hard to believe that he’d sell 4 a month out of this lot?
It’s the same percentage wise as if you have 500 domains selling 1 about every 4 years, which would also be profitable. Seems reasonable to me.
“bankroll thing” == upfront investment
give joe domainer the cash to register 100k domain names and joe will be successful. but only if joe knows how the system works. it is not rocket science. but most people just haven’t got a clue.
in a bookstore the other day i decided to take a quick look at the computer section just for fun. imaybe i could learn something. i opened up a book published by que titled “how computers work” or something similar. so how do they really work?
well, thanks to this amazing book, i now know that udp actually stands for “user database protocol”.
then i’m reading about bono and the edge investing millions in dropbox because they are “shrewd tech investors”. yes very shrewd.
most folks, e.g. the ones who pay to use dropbox, who believe they are tech savvy can’t even recognise that s3 and dropbox are the same thing- they would actually believe amazon and dropbox are competitors. hmmmm.
nor would they know that the enormous dropbox binary is just a bloated python script with the rsync library, and other free gpl-licensed code, compiled in. wait, “what’s rsync?”
investing in things you really don’t understand. is that a good thing? no comment.
want a domain name for your business? right this way…
domainers drop like 50,000 a day, of those I hand pick about 300, not exactly everything, just the best, domainmarket.com is the exact same as buydomains.com which was sold for considerable dollars which has benefited charity tremendously and will again and again unless you all compete harder, focus.
The story has not gotten much bigger and picked up by the mainstream press
congrats Mike
http://www.thedomains.com/2012/04/21/cnet-does-feature-story-on-mike-mann-meet-the-mann-who-registered-14962-domains-in-24-hours/
“has” gotten if “gotten” is a word
Each domainer should operate at the level that he or she feels comfortable with.
It’s like mining for gold, some people use a small pan to sift through the mud a little bit at a time and some use bulldozers to look through truckloads of earth. The idea is to find some gold nuggets.
Here are some domains that I just registered inspired by all the talk about the new intelligent sunglasses and eyewear.
DisplayLenses.com
DisplayContacts.com
DisplayGoggles.com
DisplaySunglasses.com
DisplayEyeglasses.com
DisplayHelmets.com
DisplayScopes.com
DisplayVisors.com
DisplayWindshields.com
LiveEyeglasses.com
LiveContactLenses.com
LiveGoggles.com
LiveSunglasses.com
LiveHelmets.com
LiveScopes.com
LiveWindshields.com
IntelligentHelmets.com
IntelligentVisors.com
IntelligentContactLenses.com
IntelligentScopes.com
IntelligentSunglasses.com
IntelligentWindshields.com
HeadsUpContacts.com
HeadsUpContactLenses.com
HeadsUpEyewear.com
HeadUpGlasses.com
HeadsUpGoggles.com
HeadsUpHelmet.com
HeadsUpLenses.com
HeadsUpOptics.com
HeadsUpOptical.com
HeadsUpScopes.com
HeadUpSunglasses.com
HeadsUpVisors.com
HeadsUpWindshield.com
HeadsUpWindshieldDisplay.com
HudMonitors.com
MicroOpticsDisplay.com
InformanceEyeglasses.com
InformanceScopes.com
InformanceOptics.com
InformanceOptical.com
InformanceGoggles.com
InformanceGlasses.com
InformanceDisplay.com
InformanceSunglasses.com
InformanceEyewear.com
InformanceContacts.com
InformanceContactLenses.com
InformanceVisors.com
InformanceHelmets.com
InformanceLenses.com
InformanceWindshields.com
ArClipon.com
CliponDisplay.com
CliponEyewear.com
CliponHeadsUpDisplay.com
CliponHUD.com
CliponInternet.com
CliponMicroOpticsDisplay.com
CliponMOD.com
CliponMonitors.com
CliponNet.com
CliponOptical.com
CliponOpticalDisplay.com
CliponOptics.com
CliponPhones.com
SmartClipons.com
IntelligentClipon.com
IntelligentCliponDisplay.com
LiveClipon.com
LiveCliponDisplay.com
@dumbdumb
your so wrong dude. get one name. flip it. get another name. flip it. build up and its like reinvesting in a mutual fund. Keeps adding up. But with domains its so much greater then investing a mutual fund.
While I disagree with Mann in many ways, my views of his “domain business” is changing and more encouraging. There are some names I would like to approach him on and acquire. But there offers only and he wont sell them for 500 each probably in new list of names.
The cnet story was good but it also didnt disclose a fact. Tm issues a few months ago.
Im seeing total wastes of money. These bulk reg lists are killing me. Mike Mann just wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars. Nice job Mik.
Get off Mike Mann’s case and stop hating. Few here can achieve in a lifetime what Mike achieves in a week. He’s a visionary and keeps up with news, trends, technology so his decisions are well informed. If you want to share as generously as he has recipes for success that can actually make a difference in someone’s life that reads this- by all means. Otherwise find a kindergarden class to cry in.
Mike has only been buying and selling domains at a high level of profit for only 15 years now so give a newbie a break guys…ROFLMAO… the same mentality deemed Rick Swartz dumb in 1996….and who is he again;)
@…YOURWRONG
best of luck with the “reg one, flip one, repeat” strategy. it certainly can work.
there are various strats in domaining. and they are not mutually exclusive.
but if you are paying careful attention to domainers like mann, and it seems you are, then you will notice they have not reached the level they are at by reg’ing one name at a time. or 50. or 100. or 1000.
sure, their climb may have started with just one name that they sold for a windfall. and likely it was many years ago, when conditions were different. and then the lightbulb went off. “domains names… as a business. yes, it could work.”
several of the large portfolio domainers discovered domain names by accident. they were not initially thinking of domain names as the most effective way to approach the web as a business opportunity.
but then, ask yourself, how did they respond after their discovery? did they think “gee, let’s think of another name i can flip?” or did they reg’d names en masse. like there was no tomorrow.
that is for you to answer.
some think small. and some think big.
mann’s strategy is [con]catenation. the right pair of keywords + .com. but the lists he generates are not short. and why do you think that they are so long? a lot of trial and error goes into developing a sense for what catenated names will work and what names will not. but even after so many years, look at how long his lists are.
f I dont buy these and sell them some other speculator will, who may not employ anyone, pay taxes or do charity, or be American. You choose.
@ Mike Mann
I (personally) think that this was a brilliant strategy, and fully expect that when you tally-up the revenues generated, they’ll far exceed your investment.
Of course, the global PR that you received by doing this is probably worth multiple seven-figures, so that made the whole endeavor worth it, regardless.
And, to me, the best part about what you’ve done is to validate that there are still a ton of quality names sitting in the ‘unregistered queue’: And, frankly, with the lightspeed pace of technological advancements being made every day – and many of these developments being referred to with newly-coined terms -, it’s just shocking to realize that anyone could possibly think that all the opportunities for hand-registration have passed.
Good luck with this, particular, portfolio. I’m pretty sure, though, that you’ll make your own luck, here.
What most here fail to recognize about themselves is that they are nitwits and buffoons. The Mann just does and the nitwits hate.
@Mike M
If being an American is an important criteria, how many .US names do you have?
Wow. And congrats! 🙂
…the old saying is “one person’s junk is another person’s treasure” and in the case of endusers, it is another person’s business. Mike Mann knows this principle and applies it well.
I still admire his tenacity in finding names that may one day be of use to said enduser.
@dumdumb
“well, thanks to this amazing book, i now know that udp actually stands for “user database protocol”. ”
ahahahaha! I bet this line got lost to the majority of other readers.
nice point.