Frank Schilling NameAdministration just sold The domain name SiteWeb.com for $100,000 on Sedo
There are certainly going to be mulitple applications in the new gTLD program for .web which may have been the impetus for a sale.
It looks like the transfer to the new owner has completed and the domain is under privacy at Godaddy going to a Godaddy Placeholder.
Congrats to Frank on another great six figure sale.
outstanding sale 🙂
as per your “.web theory” —
perhaps, dotWeb.com be an ideal match?
Very nice sale – I wouldn’t have paid $200 for it.
For info:
“site web” is in fact the way we write “web site” in French.
You french.
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Yes, but it’s not me because I use to buy domains from Frank for $5K, or better said: try to buy 😉
Funny a crap name siteweb.com for $100K and Buckingham.com for $10K. Go figure.
I offered him $X,XXX for Cinz .com in 2003 or 04. No reply…the master.
So can one conclude from this sale that it’s a good idea to invest in reverse order domains?
FS has over 350,000 domains I believe.
If you own enough domains, and have no really financial motivation to sell, sales like this happen from time to time even for average domains.
Brad
Wow, thats a huge sum. He must have a good idea of what the buyer has planned for it.
Congrats
I’ve had 6 offers on IncaWeb.com (was a 1996 reg) and nobody was keen to cough up 2k for it 😉
Brad’s right
When you’re in the position of that tiny handful of huge portfolio holders who own *all* the domains, probability dictates that you will get the whale offers from time to time, on names that make domainers shrug.
Ahhh, I see Francios gave the plausible explanation.
The wily French strike again…
Ahhh, the wily Frank strikes again 🙂
“So can one conclude from this sale that it’s a good idea to invest in reverse order domains?”
I just registered DomainsThe.com.
Any French around? 🙂
Mike ,Trico is just teasing you.
But belive it or not”DomainsThe.com” it was registered for 8 yrs.
From Google’s point of view “web site” or “site web” get’s the same amount of searches.
I have a few registered like that. AutoPartsDallas.com or FlightAfrica.com
It appears that people still prefer a .com even if it’s not grammatically correct.
“From Google’s point of view “web site” or “site web” get’s the same amount of searches.”
Not true.
201,000 vs 720 for “website”/”siteweb” and 40,000 vs 12,000 for “web site”/”site web” from GAKT.
Fantastic sale for FS but horrible buy no matter how you slice it.
Tony@
If you look closelly i have separated in to two words.
Before i write i do a little search my self.
“Mike ,Trico is just teasing you.”
Yes and hopefully Mike knew that. That’s why I put a smiley face.
Hey, I was teasing Francois too!
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“But belive it or not”DomainsThe.com” it was registered for 8 yrs.”
But it’s not registered now…although DomainThe.com is. 🙂
“If you look closelly i have separated in to two words.
Before i write i do a little search my self.”
Apparently, you didn’t look at my post closely enough. I provided stats for both versions…
wtg frank!..
likely a french buyer… my guess would be these guys…
http://www.sitesweb.com/
Not true.
201,000 vs 720 for “website”/”siteweb” and 40,000 vs 12,000 for “web site”/”site web” from GAKT.
Fantastic sale for FS but horrible buy no matter how you slice it.
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Learn how to use the tool you’re talking about, before you talk about it.
Set it to “France” and “French” and “Exact” then look at lmsv and see what kind of results you get.
That aside, search volume is a false god… The guys who transact in shit names on forums worship at that altar. The guys who actually make money with domains don’t. It meant a lot in 2002 when you were trying to figure out what .com names might get type-in traffic. These days, the game is totally different.
“Learn how to use the tool you’re talking about, before you talk about it.
Set it to “France” and “French” and “Exact” then look at lmsv and see what kind of results you get.”
“Site Web” is an English term. Pretty limiting to just look at how the French use it. You can glean how the whole world uses that term with Global search results in English. That is the much more complete picture.
“That aside, search volume is a false god… The guys who transact in shit names on forums worship at that altar. The guys who actually make money with domains don’t. It meant a lot in 2002 when you were trying to figure out what .com names might get type-in traffic. These days, the game is totally different.”
Right and wrong. Search stats will always matter because having the proper keywords in the domain with the right dotExtension carries weight with the search engines. It will always be important in SEO imo.
It is not about type-in traffic as much any more – yes. And that’s why I think FS explanation for why he invested in .XXX for the natural type-ins for the amount he invested is somewhat antiquated. But, hey, he can afford a few misses here and there…
“That aside, search volume is a false god… The guys who transact in shit names on forums worship at that altar. The guys who actually make money with domains don’t. It meant a lot in 2002 when you were trying to figure out what .com names might get type-in traffic. These days, the game is totally different.”
Great way of putting it.
You just have to look through FS daily offers to see many of his domains are GREAT Brand names but won’t make next to nothing in PPC
(Although he has tons of them that make a fortune in PPC, probably more than anyone else)
http://domainnamesales.com/blog/
Tony, agree with what you’ve said, except:
“You can glean how the whole world uses that term with Global search results in English.”
The ‘Global Monthly Searches’ result cannot be set to any single language. As I understand it, it ALWAYS includes ALL countries & ALL languages combined. As per the GAWT definitions:
“Global Monthly Searches: This column shows the approximate 12-month average number of search terms matching each keyword. This statistic includes traffic in all countries and languages but is specific to your keyword match type selection.”
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Regarding the discussion on keyword strength of SiteWeb.com:
On keyword basis alone, looking at the GAWT numbers (with ‘Local’ defined as per LS Morgan) the # of searches for both [siteweb] and [site web] do not support such a high ($100,000) sales price. [Of course, valuation should NOT made on keyword searches alone].
…………………. Global …… Local*
[website]….. 201,000 …. 2,900
[siteweb]….. 720 ………… 210
[web site]…. 40,500 …… 720
[site web]…. 12,100 ……. 6,600
*Local: Country=France; Language=French
what? if you were in this game in 2002, you were tasting 10’s of 1000’s of names to find type-ins. most of todays’s self-titled domainers do not have the technical ability to do that. they need a “tool” from someone else. and there’s always some luser who will sell you his vbscript, win32 exe, perl script, etc. there was no adwords “tool” back then. tasting was and is still some of the best data. kiting pushed things too far and icann shut it down… sort of. now you have to ante up and become a registrar and you will get some tasting data, gathered by the registry. much of the data today’s “domainers” use is utter crap. but there’s a decent market to peddle it to them for a fee. go figure.
there was overture and there was the code google later acquired from the princeton guys. but the reason finding popular search terms was useful is because you could take the results and test them on a large scale, without breaking the bank.
“what? if you were in this game in 2002, you were tasting 10′s of 1000′s of names to find type-ins.”
As far as I know tasting was not possible back in 2002
I think Gut instinct and common sense was the main tool 🙂
Right and wrong. Search stats will always matter because having the proper keywords in the domain with the right dotExtension carries weight with the search engines. It will always be important in SEO imo.
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Really?
Tell me what role the “right .extension” plays in SEO…
(Cuelessness in 3, 2, 1…)
L
gazzip:
according to f.s. himself, using the grace period to sample large numbers of domains began in 2002/2003. it wasn’t until years later that others started copying this strategy. if you search you can find a lengthy submission f.s. wrote about it.
gut? ah, no thanks.
common sense? now there’s an idea, but it’s in short supply.
raw data? tried and true.
I hand caught DonationsCar.com this weekend. $75 CPC. The correct order is “Car Donations”.
FS would sell this for $50K.
@ r.cline
Ahh, thanks.
I didn’t know that but I just found an article from Frank about it
circleid.com/posts/historical_analysis_domain_tasting/
The .web stuff I just do not buy – meaning $100K is a great number