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		<title>By: printf</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 20:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: squareid</title>
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		<dc:creator>squareid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 10:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CircleID has some annoying posters.  I mean there are some smart people there who are choosing to make their &quot;careers&quot; in the &quot;business&quot; of &quot;fighting spam&quot; or &quot;computer security&quot;.  It&#039;s a little sad.   a waste of intellect.

  That is, their &quot;careers&quot; rely on other people&#039;s ignorance and poor judgment/decision-making when it comes to computing.  If most computer users were as knowledgeable as the CircleID crowd, then there would be no need to employ such &quot;professionals&quot; to assist with simple computing concepts.  

Do these self-proclaimed crusaders want to *educate* as a means to solving these problems they claim to be trying to solve?  Or are they vested in keeping users dumbed down?  I wonder.  

Would they want all users to know as much as they do about all manner of &quot;inane&quot; computing topics?  

Do they presume to know what users want when users themselves do not even know what they want, because users are kept in the dark? 

What if users put the IP&#039;s of their favourite hosts (domains) in their HOSTS file, gave them aliases, and stopped using the &quot;domain name system&quot; constantly each day?  What if they periodically obtained a signed copy of the root zone from its authoritative source, as every user is entitled to do under ICANN rules?  

What if users made up their own nicknames (aliases) in their HOSTS file for the sites they visited (much like &quot;bookmarks&quot;), to save themselves from having to remember IP numbers?  

Who knows?  &quot;Domaining&quot; might come to a halt.  But so might spam, malware and other internet malfeasance.  Those &quot;spam fighters&quot; and &quot;security consultants&quot; might have to find something else to do.  

But users will never do that, of course.  A three column text file?  Too complicated.  Instead, we can just be spectators on CircleID and criticise and complain about what other people do.  Boring.

CircleID is waste of brainpower.  Stop the silly &quot;articles&quot; and start writing *tutorials*.

Let&#039;s face the facts.  

Much of the nonsense that bothers us all (domain hype, spam, security bugs, etc.) is borne out of people&#039;s laziness, general ignorance and reluctance to accept the computer for what it is: an automaton.  

It&#039;s a machine, and nothing more.  

It understands numbers, not words, mouse clicks, hand gestures, sounds or anything else that we&#039;ve dreamed up.  Numbers.  And only numbers.  

If people didn&#039;t mind using numbers to communicate with their computers, there would be no need for domain names.  This particular case is not so excruciating to fathom.  An IP address is no longer than a phone number.  

This is not the 1970&#039;s.  Users have lots of RAM and disk space to work with these days. Storing a great deal of routing information on a personal computer is not a major challenge.  There is ample room for 100&#039;s, 1000&#039;s or even millions of stored IP&#039;s.

But hey, that&#039;s too radical.  Too simple.  Surely it must be more complex.

No matter how &quot;human&quot; you try to make the computer, there are only so many instructions one can give to these chips.  There is no beloved &quot;recursion&quot; as in the coder&#039;s mind.  It&#039;s all that ugly &quot;GOTO&quot; type flow every coder seeks to avoid.

Well, the abstraction layer does not change the underlying problem: the computer needs numbers.  It all just becomes numbers eventually.  

But I wonder. Do we really, truly want to solve these problems?  Are we willing to work a little harder?  Can we accept some tedium in the interests of stabilisation?

Or are we just typing out thoughts on forums, like I am doing here, and those complainers over at CirleID are doing with respect to &quot;domainers&quot;.

Maybe they&#039;re just having fun with it.  Trolling in the presence of &quot;domainers&quot;.  Maybe they are playing to an audience.  If so, pay no mind to my observations.  I know some of them participate in other lists where they do not make the same sort of silly comments.  They appear &quot;child-like&quot; when posting to CircleID however.  

Recall before computers became ubiquitous, what did you do to check out a book from the library?  You looked up a *number* in the a card catalog.  There was no escaping it, you had to use that number if you wanted the correct book. That is the system the libraries used.  It was based on numbers.  It is just one of many systems that rely on numbers.  Humans can handle numbers just fine.

It is no different here.  Numbers are still mandatory for the system to work.  If you want this name nonsense to stop, CircleID complainers, then you need to educate users about numbers.  If you are just hoping to see others fail, then I guess just carry on, as passive commentators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CircleID has some annoying posters.  I mean there are some smart people there who are choosing to make their &#8220;careers&#8221; in the &#8220;business&#8221; of &#8220;fighting spam&#8221; or &#8220;computer security&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a little sad.   a waste of intellect.</p>
<p>  That is, their &#8220;careers&#8221; rely on other people&#8217;s ignorance and poor judgment/decision-making when it comes to computing.  If most computer users were as knowledgeable as the CircleID crowd, then there would be no need to employ such &#8220;professionals&#8221; to assist with simple computing concepts.  </p>
<p>Do these self-proclaimed crusaders want to *educate* as a means to solving these problems they claim to be trying to solve?  Or are they vested in keeping users dumbed down?  I wonder.  </p>
<p>Would they want all users to know as much as they do about all manner of &#8220;inane&#8221; computing topics?  </p>
<p>Do they presume to know what users want when users themselves do not even know what they want, because users are kept in the dark? </p>
<p>What if users put the IP&#8217;s of their favourite hosts (domains) in their HOSTS file, gave them aliases, and stopped using the &#8220;domain name system&#8221; constantly each day?  What if they periodically obtained a signed copy of the root zone from its authoritative source, as every user is entitled to do under ICANN rules?  </p>
<p>What if users made up their own nicknames (aliases) in their HOSTS file for the sites they visited (much like &#8220;bookmarks&#8221;), to save themselves from having to remember IP numbers?  </p>
<p>Who knows?  &#8220;Domaining&#8221; might come to a halt.  But so might spam, malware and other internet malfeasance.  Those &#8220;spam fighters&#8221; and &#8220;security consultants&#8221; might have to find something else to do.  </p>
<p>But users will never do that, of course.  A three column text file?  Too complicated.  Instead, we can just be spectators on CircleID and criticise and complain about what other people do.  Boring.</p>
<p>CircleID is waste of brainpower.  Stop the silly &#8220;articles&#8221; and start writing *tutorials*.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face the facts.  </p>
<p>Much of the nonsense that bothers us all (domain hype, spam, security bugs, etc.) is borne out of people&#8217;s laziness, general ignorance and reluctance to accept the computer for what it is: an automaton.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a machine, and nothing more.  </p>
<p>It understands numbers, not words, mouse clicks, hand gestures, sounds or anything else that we&#8217;ve dreamed up.  Numbers.  And only numbers.  </p>
<p>If people didn&#8217;t mind using numbers to communicate with their computers, there would be no need for domain names.  This particular case is not so excruciating to fathom.  An IP address is no longer than a phone number.  </p>
<p>This is not the 1970&#8242;s.  Users have lots of RAM and disk space to work with these days. Storing a great deal of routing information on a personal computer is not a major challenge.  There is ample room for 100&#8242;s, 1000&#8242;s or even millions of stored IP&#8217;s.</p>
<p>But hey, that&#8217;s too radical.  Too simple.  Surely it must be more complex.</p>
<p>No matter how &#8220;human&#8221; you try to make the computer, there are only so many instructions one can give to these chips.  There is no beloved &#8220;recursion&#8221; as in the coder&#8217;s mind.  It&#8217;s all that ugly &#8220;GOTO&#8221; type flow every coder seeks to avoid.</p>
<p>Well, the abstraction layer does not change the underlying problem: the computer needs numbers.  It all just becomes numbers eventually.  </p>
<p>But I wonder. Do we really, truly want to solve these problems?  Are we willing to work a little harder?  Can we accept some tedium in the interests of stabilisation?</p>
<p>Or are we just typing out thoughts on forums, like I am doing here, and those complainers over at CirleID are doing with respect to &#8220;domainers&#8221;.</p>
<p>Maybe they&#8217;re just having fun with it.  Trolling in the presence of &#8220;domainers&#8221;.  Maybe they are playing to an audience.  If so, pay no mind to my observations.  I know some of them participate in other lists where they do not make the same sort of silly comments.  They appear &#8220;child-like&#8221; when posting to CircleID however.  </p>
<p>Recall before computers became ubiquitous, what did you do to check out a book from the library?  You looked up a *number* in the a card catalog.  There was no escaping it, you had to use that number if you wanted the correct book. That is the system the libraries used.  It was based on numbers.  It is just one of many systems that rely on numbers.  Humans can handle numbers just fine.</p>
<p>It is no different here.  Numbers are still mandatory for the system to work.  If you want this name nonsense to stop, CircleID complainers, then you need to educate users about numbers.  If you are just hoping to see others fail, then I guess just carry on, as passive commentators.</p>
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		<title>By: CircleID: “End All Domain Auction Sites” So The “Speculators” Don’t Get Them (That’s You) : Domain News, Videos and Domain Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>CircleID: “End All Domain Auction Sites” So The “Speculators” Don’t Get Them (That’s You) : Domain News, Videos and Domain Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ronald Regging</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Regging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never realized how difficult it was for some people to understand the concept of a simple auction.  Obviously, we need to consolidate everything, incorporate government oversight and policy making panels and invest millions of tax payer&#039;s dollars to educate the clueless.  Lol.   This is called business.  If you can&#039;t understand how 3 separate auction sites work in order to participate in said auctions, then you should get out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never realized how difficult it was for some people to understand the concept of a simple auction.  Obviously, we need to consolidate everything, incorporate government oversight and policy making panels and invest millions of tax payer&#8217;s dollars to educate the clueless.  Lol.   This is called business.  If you can&#8217;t understand how 3 separate auction sites work in order to participate in said auctions, then you should get out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am a “nice guy,” but he forgot to mention that I am also schizophrenic. &quot;
Was this meant as a joke? it sure doesn&#039;t read that way  What really makes me wonder how serious you were about that was that you suggested in a previous post the exact system whereby domains are sold off on expiration currently :  http://www.domainmart.com/news/opinion-WLS_alt.htm   Make up your mind.

btw, you have left out some facts in your recent &quot;paper&quot; on multiple live auctions, Alex.  Aftermarket.com has conducted auctions with Moniker and Latona at TRAFFIC as well. . . TRAFFIC in Brooklyn 2008 had 3 auctions from the current live auction promoters.   The results (link below) weren&#039;t exactly stellar in comparing past results.  : http://www.dmueller.com/2008/10/04/domain-names-domains/traffic-nyc-2008-domain-auction-results/

I&#039;m surprised you gave this any space on your site Mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am a “nice guy,” but he forgot to mention that I am also schizophrenic. &#8221;<br />
Was this meant as a joke? it sure doesn&#8217;t read that way  What really makes me wonder how serious you were about that was that you suggested in a previous post the exact system whereby domains are sold off on expiration currently :  <a href="http://www.domainmart.com/news/opinion-WLS_alt.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.domainmart.com/news/opinion-WLS_alt.htm</a>   Make up your mind.</p>
<p>btw, you have left out some facts in your recent &#8220;paper&#8221; on multiple live auctions, Alex.  Aftermarket.com has conducted auctions with Moniker and Latona at TRAFFIC as well. . . TRAFFIC in Brooklyn 2008 had 3 auctions from the current live auction promoters.   The results (link below) weren&#8217;t exactly stellar in comparing past results.  : <a href="http://www.dmueller.com/2008/10/04/domain-names-domains/traffic-nyc-2008-domain-auction-results/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dmueller.com/2008/10/04/domain-names-domains/traffic-nyc-2008-domain-auction-results/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised you gave this any space on your site Mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Wick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Wick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex Tajirian,
I am tired of all these blogs trying to compete for more subscribers - don&#039;t you think there should be just one blog (just klike one domain auction house) to go to so we are not wasting all our time sifting thru our own rhetoric and banter. I don&#039;t have a blog - just like you do not have a large portfolio of .com&#039;s - so it really does not mean that much to me if there is only one blog source - yes - I suppose the governemnt should run that blog as well - yes.
Brian
CapitolHill.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex Tajirian,<br />
I am tired of all these blogs trying to compete for more subscribers &#8211; don&#8217;t you think there should be just one blog (just klike one domain auction house) to go to so we are not wasting all our time sifting thru our own rhetoric and banter. I don&#8217;t have a blog &#8211; just like you do not have a large portfolio of .com&#8217;s &#8211; so it really does not mean that much to me if there is only one blog source &#8211; yes &#8211; I suppose the governemnt should run that blog as well &#8211; yes.<br />
Brian<br />
CapitolHill.com</p>
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		<title>By: MHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by bring back competition to live auctions?

I have no problem with competition your post seemed to argue against it wanting one central auction house or system for all expired domains.

So I&#039;m confused</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by bring back competition to live auctions?</p>
<p>I have no problem with competition your post seemed to argue against it wanting one central auction house or system for all expired domains.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m confused</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Tajirian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Tajirian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all for your input and thanks to TheDomains.com for cross-blog fertilization. Also thanks to Stephen Douglas for noting that I am a “nice guy,” but he forgot to mention that I am also schizophrenic. In this post I postulate that market forces will drive the number of auction websites competing in the online secondary market to one, while in http://bit.ly/6BDf50 I recommend increasing rivalry among independent auctioneers in live auctions.

Nonetheless, this post, among others, makes an important distinction between speculation and investment. 

Searching the industry blogs that I follow, I was unable to find any recommendations to bring back competition to live auctions. Can someone refer me to such a blog discussion or to why having more than one live auctioneer is bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for your input and thanks to TheDomains.com for cross-blog fertilization. Also thanks to Stephen Douglas for noting that I am a “nice guy,” but he forgot to mention that I am also schizophrenic. In this post I postulate that market forces will drive the number of auction websites competing in the online secondary market to one, while in <a href="http://bit.ly/6BDf50" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/6BDf50</a> I recommend increasing rivalry among independent auctioneers in live auctions.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, this post, among others, makes an important distinction between speculation and investment. </p>
<p>Searching the industry blogs that I follow, I was unable to find any recommendations to bring back competition to live auctions. Can someone refer me to such a blog discussion or to why having more than one live auctioneer is bad?</p>
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		<title>By: ShuwiX www.webmasterinter.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShuwiX www.webmasterinter.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pointless and with very wierd &quot;logic&quot;.

As long as top domain players got deals with registrars and registrars ties to ICANN, things will remain same.

And that oldschool c*ck that missed the train can&#039;t change it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointless and with very wierd &#8220;logic&#8221;.</p>
<p>As long as top domain players got deals with registrars and registrars ties to ICANN, things will remain same.</p>
<p>And that oldschool c*ck that missed the train can&#8217;t change it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Douglas_Successclick.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Douglas_Successclick.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian

&quot;A government big enough to give you everything you want (ICANN), is strong enough to take everything you have”.

Perfect...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian</p>
<p>&#8220;A government big enough to give you everything you want (ICANN), is strong enough to take everything you have”.</p>
<p>Perfect&#8230;</p>
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