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		<title>By: When It Comes To WIPO &#38; UDRP&#39;s: If You Screw Your Reputation, Your &#8230; &#124; VRYTEK</title>
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		<dc:creator>When It Comes To WIPO &#38; UDRP&#39;s: If You Screw Your Reputation, Your &#8230; &#124; VRYTEK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stephen Douglas_Successclick.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Douglas_Successclick.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Em-Bee,

Actually, the judge rules the court actions, jury considerations, evidence presented, etc, in both civil and criminal cases. 

I wasn&#039;t aware that ICANN didn&#039;t incorporate a fair &quot;domain by domain&quot; review for each UDRP, as opposed to being influenced by past outcomes of previous UDRP&#039;s where either party lost.  There&#039;s a reason for the logic behind judging each case on ITS OWN MERITS, without prior results helping to determine the outcome on a current case.

Oh well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Em-Bee,</p>
<p>Actually, the judge rules the court actions, jury considerations, evidence presented, etc, in both civil and criminal cases. </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware that ICANN didn&#8217;t incorporate a fair &#8220;domain by domain&#8221; review for each UDRP, as opposed to being influenced by past outcomes of previous UDRP&#8217;s where either party lost.  There&#8217;s a reason for the logic behind judging each case on ITS OWN MERITS, without prior results helping to determine the outcome on a current case.</p>
<p>Oh well!</p>
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		<title>By: Aggro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aggro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh puh-lease

You&#039;re just making up reasons to fit the facts - just like the panelist.

Thing is nowadays, the general trend (seemingly) is: 

- it&#039;s a crapshoot
- no such thing as precedent (one can find &quot;precedents&quot; which would rule for either side) 
-the panelist just makes up the rules as they go along so that the complainant wins

I have little doubt if the respondent had an unblemished reputation - that the panelist would&#039;ve ruled for the complainant on another &quot;technicality&quot; eg. domain was held for over 10 yrs but no &#039;real&#039; business was ever run from the domain or some other chit

People, if you ever lose a UDRP (for whatever reason)...just change the goddang name of the registrant so it can never be used against you! :)
And go offshore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh puh-lease</p>
<p>You&#8217;re just making up reasons to fit the facts &#8211; just like the panelist.</p>
<p>Thing is nowadays, the general trend (seemingly) is: </p>
<p>- it&#8217;s a crapshoot<br />
- no such thing as precedent (one can find &#8220;precedents&#8221; which would rule for either side)<br />
-the panelist just makes up the rules as they go along so that the complainant wins</p>
<p>I have little doubt if the respondent had an unblemished reputation &#8211; that the panelist would&#8217;ve ruled for the complainant on another &#8220;technicality&#8221; eg. domain was held for over 10 yrs but no &#8216;real&#8217; business was ever run from the domain or some other chit</p>
<p>People, if you ever lose a UDRP (for whatever reason)&#8230;just change the goddang name of the registrant so it can never be used against you! <img src='http://www.thedomains.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
And go offshore</p>
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		<title>By: sc</title>
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		<dc:creator>sc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intent plays a role in the TM discussion. Therefore your reputation follows you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intent plays a role in the TM discussion. Therefore your reputation follows you.</p>
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		<title>By: MHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen

I think your thinking of criminal cases, not civil ones.

When you go to court there those proceedings are governed by  the state or federal rules of criminal procedures or civil procedures.

WIPO and UDRP have their own set of rules.

Previous cases can and will be cited and used in making a decision, which of course was the point of the post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen</p>
<p>I think your thinking of criminal cases, not civil ones.</p>
<p>When you go to court there those proceedings are governed by  the state or federal rules of criminal procedures or civil procedures.</p>
<p>WIPO and UDRP have their own set of rules.</p>
<p>Previous cases can and will be cited and used in making a decision, which of course was the point of the post</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Douglas_Successclick.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Douglas_Successclick.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an attorney, but I do know that past &quot;digressions&quot; cannot be used in a current case unless the defendant somehow brings it up in their defense. So making a decision based on a domainer&#039;s &quot;past UDRP&quot; history is unfair, and un-American.

I&#039;m surprised this wasn&#039;t pointed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an attorney, but I do know that past &#8220;digressions&#8221; cannot be used in a current case unless the defendant somehow brings it up in their defense. So making a decision based on a domainer&#8217;s &#8220;past UDRP&#8221; history is unfair, and un-American.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised this wasn&#8217;t pointed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Sweetman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Sweetman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, the points you make are good ones. I&#039;ve noticed, however, that some domainers don&#039;t stand up for their rights *enough* when it comes to defending domains that are not obvious trademark infringements.

If you&#039;re sitting on a domain that is blatently and unquestionably infringing a trademark, of course you should find a way to correct the problem and/or hand the domain over. But in situations where the claim being made is not as black-and-white, you shouldn&#039;t just immediately roll over and play dead.

I&#039;ve been on the receiving end of many &quot;claims&quot; this year and 99% of the time the &quot;claims&quot; are without merit. My approach is to always respond promptly, gather and communicate all the facts, and educate the person making the complaint. A lot of the time the other side has no clue what they are talking about. If I handed over every domain that someone had a &quot;concern&quot; about we&#039;d run out of domains. ;+)

Domainers, in general. need to show these folks that they can&#039;t just drop the &quot;T&quot; word in an email and expect you to immediately hand over the domain. You wouldn&#039;t believe some of the ridiculous &quot;claims&quot; I&#039;ve gotten over the years. Most situations are more nuanced, especially for the majority of domainers who have ethics.

Know your rights. Push back firmly but politely. And educate the other side. In doing so, you&#039;ll earn more respect for you and the industry as a whole.

Bonus: you&#039;ll stop losing domains to bogus claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, the points you make are good ones. I&#8217;ve noticed, however, that some domainers don&#8217;t stand up for their rights *enough* when it comes to defending domains that are not obvious trademark infringements.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re sitting on a domain that is blatently and unquestionably infringing a trademark, of course you should find a way to correct the problem and/or hand the domain over. But in situations where the claim being made is not as black-and-white, you shouldn&#8217;t just immediately roll over and play dead.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on the receiving end of many &#8220;claims&#8221; this year and 99% of the time the &#8220;claims&#8221; are without merit. My approach is to always respond promptly, gather and communicate all the facts, and educate the person making the complaint. A lot of the time the other side has no clue what they are talking about. If I handed over every domain that someone had a &#8220;concern&#8221; about we&#8217;d run out of domains. ;+)</p>
<p>Domainers, in general. need to show these folks that they can&#8217;t just drop the &#8220;T&#8221; word in an email and expect you to immediately hand over the domain. You wouldn&#8217;t believe some of the ridiculous &#8220;claims&#8221; I&#8217;ve gotten over the years. Most situations are more nuanced, especially for the majority of domainers who have ethics.</p>
<p>Know your rights. Push back firmly but politely. And educate the other side. In doing so, you&#8217;ll earn more respect for you and the industry as a whole.</p>
<p>Bonus: you&#8217;ll stop losing domains to bogus claims.</p>
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		<title>By: pitbullstew</title>
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		<dc:creator>pitbullstew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA! what a hoot! getting a bad reputation for the most double dealing sleazy business on the planet? Domainig? Are you serious, all I read about are crooks trying to steal tradmerk names, hijacking others, cyber sqauting, then parking and oh my does halvarez still ring a bell or was it always a dull thud because every one is in on it anyways?
I mean really, google up &#039;trademrk domain suit&#039; and go down the list?
Hundreds of them.

get real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA! what a hoot! getting a bad reputation for the most double dealing sleazy business on the planet? Domainig? Are you serious, all I read about are crooks trying to steal tradmerk names, hijacking others, cyber sqauting, then parking and oh my does halvarez still ring a bell or was it always a dull thud because every one is in on it anyways?<br />
I mean really, google up &#8216;trademrk domain suit&#8217; and go down the list?<br />
Hundreds of them.</p>
<p>get real.</p>
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		<title>By: BullS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BullS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you Domainers...do you have the BallS to fight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you Domainers&#8230;do you have the BallS to fight?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the time, the company sends you a C &amp; D letter letting you know they are going to sue you if you don&#039;t hand it over.  THIS is the time to hand it over if you want to save legal fees or know you are infringing. Ignoring this will lead to the above.  With a small valued LLLL like that you certainly would hand it over. Even if you are not in the wrong, sometimes it is easier to simply hand it over admitting no guilt.  Why would you ever do that if you&#039;ve done nothing wrong?  It&#039;s simple,  money.  I had someone sue me for a workman&#039;s comp injury for a million dollars and he absolutely didn&#039;t do it at work.  We settled for 50K, why, my insurance company agreed it was much much cheaper to settle than to prove him wrong.  ..........and thus my hate for ambulance chasing lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the time, the company sends you a C &amp; D letter letting you know they are going to sue you if you don&#8217;t hand it over.  THIS is the time to hand it over if you want to save legal fees or know you are infringing. Ignoring this will lead to the above.  With a small valued LLLL like that you certainly would hand it over. Even if you are not in the wrong, sometimes it is easier to simply hand it over admitting no guilt.  Why would you ever do that if you&#8217;ve done nothing wrong?  It&#8217;s simple,  money.  I had someone sue me for a workman&#8217;s comp injury for a million dollars and he absolutely didn&#8217;t do it at work.  We settled for 50K, why, my insurance company agreed it was much much cheaper to settle than to prove him wrong.  &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and thus my hate for ambulance chasing lawyers.</p>
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