Perfect. You said it. Thanks for informing the uninformed. Keep up the good work.

Netmeg, 800 examples of “delistings” on Whypark? So how did you get notified of this? Do you have a magic data tool that can instantly check for Google listings and delistings? You said you could show “thousands more”. That’s amazing. What’s your process for finding out so many delisted sites?

It’s called Google Webmaster Tools. You should look into it.

You guys didn’t fully read my comments. I’m saying for the domains I have in my portfolio, that don’t perform at PPC, WHYPARK IS PERFECT. Why? Because Whypark allows me to do what I want to put whatever customization on my domains that I want and to MOST IMPORTANTLY, keep the sites from looking like a standing PPC landing page. This is extremely important for domain flippers.

Netmeg, 800 examples of “delistings” on Whypark? So how did you get notified of this? Do you have a magic data tool that can instantly check for Google listings and delistings? You said you could show “thousands more”. That’s amazing. What’s your process for finding out so many delisted sites?

Domo, most people in the domain industry or most readers here should, or do, know that I was an executive at WP last year and so me repeating my “affiliation” every time I posted about Whypark would be accessive, don’t you think? And you can ask anyone to reveal their revenues, but most everyone would not tell you unless you were interested and able to buy their domain.

Netmeg, I can’t discuss Google as an expert, you’re an expert from what I’ve read from your writings over the last two years, which almost always included the word “google” in your comments. So you have the last word here — except it’s MOOT for Whypark users who follow my same strategy with their domains — And that strategy is, again:

1) Parked domains NEVER get indexed, never will. If your domain is parked and it’s not a typein performer, then you don’t want it sitting there without content, without the smallest CHANCE to be indexed, and making no revenue while looking exactly like a million other landing pages. Whypark fixes that problem, and you can do it for free. It works for me, and I’m constantly moving domains to Whypark, but one by one, writing a few customs pages for each.

2) Whypark allows me to present my site usefully to a user to find relevant information. I own “Digital Mammogram dotcom” and it’s at least set up on Whypark to show an interested party that it’s a relevant site with plenty of original articles covering this new technology. Cost to me? Nothing. Does it look better than a landing page? Of course.

That’s my point again — if you want to build out a killer domain name (“natural”), then nobody at WhyPark says “you need us”. We all know there is NO magic bullet for creating websites that make Google happy. If there was, SEO services would be — well, “delisted”.

However, there is a “magic bullet” (WhyPark) that makes large portfolio holders with keyword longtail domains happy by giving them a “nice home” and a potential to make revenue, whereas parking them would never provide that opportunity.

Thank you, and good night all for this subject!

Since the discussion seems to have veered around to Google deindexing WhyPark sites, and since above you implied that it wasn’t happening, and was just being reported by “anonymous” people who have some interest in seeing the platform fail, I find your most recent comment somewhat puzzling. Unfortunately I don’t have time to pick it apart point by point at the moment.

The bottom line is, whether or not YOU are concerned about your WhyPark sites, and whether or not YOU are concerned about Google indexing these sites, other people are. I would even venture to say that MOST WhyPark users are. That’s not going to change, no matter what spin you want to put on it. I don’t claim to know everything that Google does. All of our evidence is anecdotal compared to the amount of data that Google has. But after years and years of watching closely and *paying attention*, not to mention learning everything I can from people who know better than I, I can tell you that it’s not nearly as much of a mystery as you seem to think. Google doesn’t want hundreds of sites with the same syndicated articles in the index, and they don’t want hundreds of sites with thin semi-unique articles either, unless you’re partnering with them for big bucks (a la Demand Media)

And the FACT is that Google made a change, this year, and WP sites fell smack in the middle of that target.

You want to gloss over that, go ahead. But I’m going to keep pointing out the risks as I see them. People need to be able to make INFORMED choices.

I can hardly wait till my post on The Myth of the Minisite is ready for publication.

Yes, I know you and have read your comments dating back two years about Whypark. You’re also a website developer. You know a lot about Google, which means you know a lot about nothing. No disrespect in that statement, Netmeg, just the facts you and I both know — Google can’t be pinpointed or delineated to obtain perfection in listings, indexing or whatever you want them to do. They change it up monthly. You can build a career “thinking” you know something about google and find out that a few months later, you know nothing but the basics that apply to all SE’s.

Whypark for me is better than landing pages. If you want to build out a site to a huge working and indexed site using Whypark, YOU CAN DO THIS. It’s being done, it’s been done. But it’s no different than any other content developer site EXCEPT you can do so much more with WhyPark FOR FREE, and it’s the perfect answer for longtail and ccTLD domain owners who don’t get typeins, but want to represent their domain to the user as something other than a PPC landing page. PERIOD.

Any other arguments about Google indexing and magical top 10 placement of Whypark domains isn’t my intention, not has it ever been. Domains that I owned that NEVER were indexed by Google when I parked them for 8 years don’t cry about it if they don’t get indexed now, but they do happily accept the new users and email requests to buy them AND the site content I have on my domains parked at Whypark. That’s the OPTION for domain owners that talented website developers like yourself don’t address. You’re worried about Whypark stating they can seemingly creating new fantastic sites through their system, but they don’t do that. You miss the whole purpose of Whypark’s importance for domain owners who have domains that get no typein traffic, but want to build out their sites to look customized in order to sell the domains, and possibly get some SE indexing and PPC income.

I’ve already proven this to myself that this works at Whypark. If it didn’t, I wouldn’t be bothering to write anything here. For me WhyPark is an essential part of my domain monetization strategy because it does exactly what I want it to do – plus Craig Rowe is a genius who will keep adding new features to make domain investors excited.

I hope you understand that I’m coming from a totally different “value” direction than you are discussing, and I give you all the credit due for your ongoing knowledge of Google. You’re probably one of the top 10 people I’ve seen write about Google who knows what they’re talking about – except that only is good for about 60 days, tops. You work hard!

peace

And I have yet to see a single WhyPark site indexed in Bing. I know Craig says that they’ve been spidering heavily lately – but I still haven’t seen a single one, in almost a year. Some friends had a couple sites go in, and then come right back out. And once Bing starts providing SERPS for Yahoo, unless something changes, that will pretty much rule out all three major search engines.

I have no ax to grind with WhyPark. I like Craig, and admire the platform he built. I even still have some domains there, because I just like the look of them. But I’m not blind and I’m not going to minimize or downplay the risks. My *only* issue is that people need to be very aware before they put their domains in. Because once your domain has been penalized, it pretty much has to either change hands or be fully developed before you can ask for reconsideration to have it indexed again.

If Google SERPS don’t matter to you, then it’s not an issue. If they do, then go into it with your eyes open.

Dang. I don’t want to have the last word in this respect. I understand your concerns, but I know more about the internal growth and the solutions to make Whypark sites SE friendly — without a doubt it depends on newly changing original or even adfeed content. (If that wasn’t true, then CNN.com and Foxnews.com and other sites getting syndicated news info would be delisted. It’s the “customization’ and addition of new content, along with syndicated or even identical content that makes the site live in the SE world. I agree that a lot of people just put their domains at WP and expect magic to occur, without any further focus on them. That rarely, if ever works. But the competitor argument is always that Whypark seems to exist in this “vacuum” of only being a service that gives you pablum content, too bad, no “original” content possible. That’s just not true, and most good Whypark users know this, including myself.

@ 2 Cents

Your points are similar to Bryan’s so my answer is about the same for you here. However, when solutions such as DNS and IP locations of servers are the only answer to “getting Google to like you”, it’s a simple investment and growth equation of acquiring 1000 other virtual or standalone servers to resolve that issue.

As I pointed out above, you always need regular original content, backlinking to relevant sites that rate on the SE’s, and customized websites with lots of content to keep your “head above water” with any SE, especially Google.

What’s funny is that I’m not an SEO expert in any sense of the word. I depend on guys like Ben Herman of Madfish.info and Todd Mintz of SEMPDX.org for the real expertise. However, I do understand the “basics”, and that as mainly a domain flipper, parking a longtail at a PPC landing page gets me nothing, where I’ve increased the revenue from 250 non-performing domains out of 3500 of my domains are now making money, and getting better “eyeballs” on those sites than before. My domains fall into the 80-20 rule for PPC. I own domains that are clear product descriptive domains, yet get little typeins. I build out a little site on Whypark, add a custom page with 150 words of original content, and I start getting renewal rev. That’s all I care about until I flip the domain.

Whypark’s features allow me to do this for free. If I wanted more assistance, it’s fairly inexpensive to get it. So I’m very happy about my experience at Whypark, at least compared to what options were available to me before.

thx

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Stephen:

BTW I read your nearly euphoric review on whypark.com and realize you are an affiliate of them (via the subliminal links to WP plastered in the article) , you should at least disclose that .

Funny nobody really talks about how much money they make using these type of services (not just WP) nor the ROI never mind the man/hours spent …

The traffic thing it’s almost funny, most of these domain are really crappie to begin with (No direct Nav traffic) when people claim to have a great increase on traffic (from 0 to X ) they forget that SE ‘ Bots are doing their work , and most likely that accounts for the majority of the counts…
And it’s not just WP is the whole “Mini CookieCutter Crappie Sites” approach …

Cheers
Domo.

True words.