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	<title>Comments on: ICANN Has Little Power On ccTLD&#8217;s &amp; UDRP&#8217;s Rarely Apply</title>
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		<title>By: Helder</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2009/07/19/icann-has-little-power-on-cctlds/comment-page-1/#comment-16775</link>
		<dc:creator>Helder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok it&#039;s true that some countries, specially non democratic countries can also take away your domains, but i believe in most countries, democratic countries, that won&#039;t be a problem. First of all a country is based on laws, and those laws apply to everyone equally, at least it should. In European countries (most of them), in the USA, and many other countries it&#039;s very common for a normal john doe (any citizen) to win a law suit against the government or a company, i know that lobbies and money count, but the chances on  both sides are more even.

Now at UDRP that&#039;s not the case, a regular unknown domainer doesn&#039;t stand a chance against a big company with millions and millions of dollars, and all the known horrible decisions just show that&#039;s the way it is, so i prefer to take my chances with a government in a cctld, than with gtld&#039;s if that&#039;s how things keep going.

I believe most domainers will start to feel the same way, if their generic properties start to be taken away from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok it&#8217;s true that some countries, specially non democratic countries can also take away your domains, but i believe in most countries, democratic countries, that won&#8217;t be a problem. First of all a country is based on laws, and those laws apply to everyone equally, at least it should. In European countries (most of them), in the USA, and many other countries it&#8217;s very common for a normal john doe (any citizen) to win a law suit against the government or a company, i know that lobbies and money count, but the chances on  both sides are more even.</p>
<p>Now at UDRP that&#8217;s not the case, a regular unknown domainer doesn&#8217;t stand a chance against a big company with millions and millions of dollars, and all the known horrible decisions just show that&#8217;s the way it is, so i prefer to take my chances with a government in a cctld, than with gtld&#8217;s if that&#8217;s how things keep going.</p>
<p>I believe most domainers will start to feel the same way, if their generic properties start to be taken away from them.</p>
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		<title>By: DotWTF.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2009/07/19/icann-has-little-power-on-cctlds/comment-page-1/#comment-16767</link>
		<dc:creator>DotWTF.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a fan either and I am really focusing on the Gtld, what do you think we should have ? There needs to be something for the obvious TM squatting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a fan either and I am really focusing on the Gtld, what do you think we should have ? There needs to be something for the obvious TM squatting.</p>
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		<title>By: MHB</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2009/07/19/icann-has-little-power-on-cctlds/comment-page-1/#comment-16765</link>
		<dc:creator>MHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dot

The UDRP has a win rate of 85% for the complainants and we know of lots of horrible decisions where domains, were basically stolen from their owners, so I lose no sleep at night that ccTLD&#039;s are not subject to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dot</p>
<p>The UDRP has a win rate of 85% for the complainants and we know of lots of horrible decisions where domains, were basically stolen from their owners, so I lose no sleep at night that ccTLD&#8217;s are not subject to them.</p>
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		<title>By: DotWTF.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2009/07/19/icann-has-little-power-on-cctlds/comment-page-1/#comment-16764</link>
		<dc:creator>DotWTF.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael I did not have a problem with what you wrote, I actually had to write about this a year ago on .tv because people were incorrectly assuming.

I just mentioned you wrote you were not for UDRP,
MHB permalink 
JP

My vote is that no UDRP is a good thing.

and I just wondered what you thought would be the right solution ? For any extension gtld or cctld. No problem with anything you wrote, I was just saying that its not like everything is great because no ICANN, a country could just take away domains on their own so its not all risk free with cctld. Again IMO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael I did not have a problem with what you wrote, I actually had to write about this a year ago on .tv because people were incorrectly assuming.</p>
<p>I just mentioned you wrote you were not for UDRP,<br />
MHB permalink<br />
JP</p>
<p>My vote is that no UDRP is a good thing.</p>
<p>and I just wondered what you thought would be the right solution ? For any extension gtld or cctld. No problem with anything you wrote, I was just saying that its not like everything is great because no ICANN, a country could just take away domains on their own so its not all risk free with cctld. Again IMO</p>
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		<title>By: MHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dot

I didn&#039;t make the rules up, just reporting on them.

If there is no UDRP available then recourse would lie in filing suit against the domain holder, the registrar and maybe the registry, but the registry might be based in the foreign country that sponsored the extension.

A ccTLD registry can adopt WIPO rules but few have</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dot</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t make the rules up, just reporting on them.</p>
<p>If there is no UDRP available then recourse would lie in filing suit against the domain holder, the registrar and maybe the registry, but the registry might be based in the foreign country that sponsored the extension.</p>
<p>A ccTLD registry can adopt WIPO rules but few have</p>
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		<title>By: DotWTF.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2009/07/19/icann-has-little-power-on-cctlds/comment-page-1/#comment-16757</link>
		<dc:creator>DotWTF.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is being looked at through rose colored glasses, first off let me state I am not against cctlds and own .co.uk, .de and .tv domains.  

But to think oh great ICANN cannot screw with me, but China or France or Cameroon can is a big problem too, you could easily have some political back and forth where a country did not like a trade policy and then make all foreign ownership or maybe just the country you live in specifically have no ownership rights to that countries cctld. Not saying that is going to happen but it could. 

Michael you said no UDRP ? What solution do you have for the real cybersquatting ? I mean I read on another blog where guys said they want domainers to contact companies and basically rat out other domainers, I wonder will the phrase &quot;Nobody likes a snitch&quot; become &quot;Nobody likes a snitch except a domainer&quot;  Will domainers start whistle blowing on other domainers ? That is an interesting concept IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is being looked at through rose colored glasses, first off let me state I am not against cctlds and own .co.uk, .de and .tv domains.  </p>
<p>But to think oh great ICANN cannot screw with me, but China or France or Cameroon can is a big problem too, you could easily have some political back and forth where a country did not like a trade policy and then make all foreign ownership or maybe just the country you live in specifically have no ownership rights to that countries cctld. Not saying that is going to happen but it could. </p>
<p>Michael you said no UDRP ? What solution do you have for the real cybersquatting ? I mean I read on another blog where guys said they want domainers to contact companies and basically rat out other domainers, I wonder will the phrase &#8220;Nobody likes a snitch&#8221; become &#8220;Nobody likes a snitch except a domainer&#8221;  Will domainers start whistle blowing on other domainers ? That is an interesting concept IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this has always been one of the best reasons for investing in country code domains.

Sure, the Internet is global. But, borders are inevitable. As with any new frontier, borders are few and far between in the beginning. That usually changes.

Earth is primarily divided into countries. 
And, what do countries want?
Gimme a C ...Gimme an A ...Gimme as S ...Gimme an H! 
What&#039;s that spell? TAXES!

You can bet the smart countries are going to keep a tight reign on their own country codes. Regulation will increase. Hopefully, fair protection to all parties involved will also increase. Of course, that may depend on lobbyists and special interest groups. So, there will undoubtedly be plenty of room for the average domainer to be &quot;relieved of his investments&quot; if the respective country has not implemented fair laws and processes. 

At some point, countries like China and the US will no longer put up with ANY shit at all from some international company or regulatory agency. Eventually, they will assert FULL control of the National Asset known as the country code.

National cybersecurity will eventually mandate this.

One could speculate that all this makes ccTLDs very good investments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this has always been one of the best reasons for investing in country code domains.</p>
<p>Sure, the Internet is global. But, borders are inevitable. As with any new frontier, borders are few and far between in the beginning. That usually changes.</p>
<p>Earth is primarily divided into countries.<br />
And, what do countries want?<br />
Gimme a C &#8230;Gimme an A &#8230;Gimme as S &#8230;Gimme an H!<br />
What&#8217;s that spell? TAXES!</p>
<p>You can bet the smart countries are going to keep a tight reign on their own country codes. Regulation will increase. Hopefully, fair protection to all parties involved will also increase. Of course, that may depend on lobbyists and special interest groups. So, there will undoubtedly be plenty of room for the average domainer to be &#8220;relieved of his investments&#8221; if the respective country has not implemented fair laws and processes. </p>
<p>At some point, countries like China and the US will no longer put up with ANY shit at all from some international company or regulatory agency. Eventually, they will assert FULL control of the National Asset known as the country code.</p>
<p>National cybersecurity will eventually mandate this.</p>
<p>One could speculate that all this makes ccTLDs very good investments.</p>
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		<title>By: MHB</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2009/07/19/icann-has-little-power-on-cctlds/comment-page-1/#comment-16754</link>
		<dc:creator>MHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP

My vote is that no UDRP is a good thing.

No ICANN oversight can run both ways.

A foreign government could pass a rule or law that negatively effects a ccTLD domain you own and you maybe powerless to do much about it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP</p>
<p>My vote is that no UDRP is a good thing.</p>
<p>No ICANN oversight can run both ways.</p>
<p>A foreign government could pass a rule or law that negatively effects a ccTLD domain you own and you maybe powerless to do much about it</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Latona</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2009/07/19/icann-has-little-power-on-cctlds/comment-page-1/#comment-16753</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Latona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: cartoonz</title>
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		<dc:creator>cartoonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ICANN isn&#039;t likely to gain any love from the CountryCodeTLD&#039;s any time soon...  while they have bamboozled a few to &quot;sign on&quot;, there are plenty of others that are simply disgusted with what ICANN has turned out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ICANN isn&#8217;t likely to gain any love from the CountryCodeTLD&#8217;s any time soon&#8230;  while they have bamboozled a few to &#8220;sign on&#8221;, there are plenty of others that are simply disgusted with what ICANN has turned out to be.</p>
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