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		<title>By: Domain Erwerb &#171; Heinkas DNs &#38; DN-News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domain Erwerb &#171; Heinkas DNs &#38; DN-News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mai 8, 2009 &#8212; heinka   Eine interessante Frage wirft Mike Berkens auf seinem Domainer-Blog thedomains.com auf, nämlich: Warum kaufen DOMAINER Domains in &#8220;Dropped DNs&#8221;-Auktionen eher [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Why are you in the Domain Industry?</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] which have no archive.org results or no back links - There are a ton of valuation methods but as some berry nut said on thedomains.com a few days ago (you’re alright berry guy – you made me laugh) pretty [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Google Doesn’t Count Existing Backlinks When You Get An Expired or Drop Domain &#124; The domain &#38; webhost industry's news source</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Doesn’t Count Existing Backlinks When You Get An Expired or Drop Domain &#124; The domain &#38; webhost industry's news source</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Google Doesn’t Count Existing Backlinks When You Get An Expired or Drop Domain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google Doesn’t Count Existing Backlinks When You Get An Expired or Drop Domain</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone is putting way too much thought into this one. I think the reason is quite simple. It&#039;s psychology. In a drop-auction we know 1 thing for sure, somebody is going to buy the domain. Futhermore we don&#039;t know what they will do with it. Will it end up at a TRAFFIC auction later in the year? Maybe, maybe not. If it does it will surely be listed higher than whatever it goes for at Snap as well.

So why pay more at Snap, because if you really want that domain you had better buy it then because you may not get another chance. There is no sense of urgency at a TRAFFIC auction. If nobody bids on an &quot;overpriced&quot; name it doesn&#039;t sell. Send the owner an offer 6 months later if you still want it, as they probably still want to sell it.

I notice alot of times at the live auction, as soon as a domain gets 1 bid, more bids start to roll in, even it if was a challenge to get that first bid. That first bid creates that sense of urgency, where you know somebody is going to walk away with the domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone is putting way too much thought into this one. I think the reason is quite simple. It&#8217;s psychology. In a drop-auction we know 1 thing for sure, somebody is going to buy the domain. Futhermore we don&#8217;t know what they will do with it. Will it end up at a TRAFFIC auction later in the year? Maybe, maybe not. If it does it will surely be listed higher than whatever it goes for at Snap as well.</p>
<p>So why pay more at Snap, because if you really want that domain you had better buy it then because you may not get another chance. There is no sense of urgency at a TRAFFIC auction. If nobody bids on an &#8220;overpriced&#8221; name it doesn&#8217;t sell. Send the owner an offer 6 months later if you still want it, as they probably still want to sell it.</p>
<p>I notice alot of times at the live auction, as soon as a domain gets 1 bid, more bids start to roll in, even it if was a challenge to get that first bid. That first bid creates that sense of urgency, where you know somebody is going to walk away with the domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick that is just the entries into google which includes stuff like raspberry recipes, raspberry pie. If you&#039;re talking about natural traffic, don&#039;t have to look at tools, it&#039;s a no brainer raspberries would have way more, but the singular may be better for &quot;branding&quot;.  This is where common sense comes into play. Throw out the tools. Just think what people would search for. 

Ex. Car has 1 billion entries. Cars 1/2 billion. It&#039;s a no brainer cars gets way more natural traffic. Both killer names to brand of course.

Lesson learned. More google results does not mean more natural traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick that is just the entries into google which includes stuff like raspberry recipes, raspberry pie. If you&#8217;re talking about natural traffic, don&#8217;t have to look at tools, it&#8217;s a no brainer raspberries would have way more, but the singular may be better for &#8220;branding&#8221;.  This is where common sense comes into play. Throw out the tools. Just think what people would search for. </p>
<p>Ex. Car has 1 billion entries. Cars 1/2 billion. It&#8217;s a no brainer cars gets way more natural traffic. Both killer names to brand of course.</p>
<p>Lesson learned. More google results does not mean more natural traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McDermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick McDermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m still not sure what you can build this domain into other than just using it as cool word for a Web 2.0 site.&quot;

MHB,

&quot;Raspberry&quot; can be used for more than  just &quot;fruit&quot;.

There are lots of other possibilities for usage.

Raspberry is often used to describe a color.

It&#039;s also the kind of name I see used by small restaurants and food shops 
all the time.

It would be perfect for a branding name -Raspberry Brand.

In NYC there is a clothing store chain called Strawberry.

They sell girls and young women&#039;s clothing (I think) and have been 
around a long time.

They do not own &quot;Strawberry.com&quot; though.

Their site is &quot;StrawberryStores.com&quot;.

If you check out Strawberry.com, you&#039;ll see it&#039;s owned and used by a 
German company and has nothing to do with Strawberry as a fruit.

I don&#039;t read German but it seems to be an Information Technology firm.

Back to the Strawberry clothing stores, I used to work in Manhattan
in the 1980s.

Although they are no longer around a competitor to Strawberry had 
opened up and they called themselves Raspberry.

It&#039;s not likely they ever made it to the Internet. I believe their stores
folded some time ago. 
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&quot;Jason, the one word names regulating.com, transmitting.com, reproducing.com do not come close to the power of raspberry.com in my opinion - decent names all the same but not in the same category.&quot;

Alan,

Jason didn&#039;t write that. 

MHB did. 

His company bought those domains.

I had the same reaction you did. 
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&quot;I can’t imagine anyone search for raspberry, just raspberries/rasberries.&quot;

Jody,

If you use Google&#039;s External keyword search tool you&#039;ll see that Raspberry 
far exceeds Raspberries in # of searches.

SEARCH VOLUME

Keyword------------------March Searches-----------Average Search Volume

Raspberry-------------------1,000,000-------------------673,000-------

Raspberries------------------165,000---------------------110,000-------
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Which word is more popular?

Raspberry or Raspberries?

Using the keyword popularity tool  at Google Fight.com, 
we see that Raspberry kicks Raspberries butt again.

Raspberry---------12,500,000----results

Raspberries--------4,920,000----results
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m still not sure what you can build this domain into other than just using it as cool word for a Web 2.0 site.&#8221;</p>
<p>MHB,</p>
<p>&#8220;Raspberry&#8221; can be used for more than  just &#8220;fruit&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are lots of other possibilities for usage.</p>
<p>Raspberry is often used to describe a color.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also the kind of name I see used by small restaurants and food shops<br />
all the time.</p>
<p>It would be perfect for a branding name -Raspberry Brand.</p>
<p>In NYC there is a clothing store chain called Strawberry.</p>
<p>They sell girls and young women&#8217;s clothing (I think) and have been<br />
around a long time.</p>
<p>They do not own &#8220;Strawberry.com&#8221; though.</p>
<p>Their site is &#8220;StrawberryStores.com&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you check out Strawberry.com, you&#8217;ll see it&#8217;s owned and used by a<br />
German company and has nothing to do with Strawberry as a fruit.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t read German but it seems to be an Information Technology firm.</p>
<p>Back to the Strawberry clothing stores, I used to work in Manhattan<br />
in the 1980s.</p>
<p>Although they are no longer around a competitor to Strawberry had<br />
opened up and they called themselves Raspberry.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not likely they ever made it to the Internet. I believe their stores<br />
folded some time ago.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;Jason, the one word names regulating.com, transmitting.com, reproducing.com do not come close to the power of raspberry.com in my opinion &#8211; decent names all the same but not in the same category.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alan,</p>
<p>Jason didn&#8217;t write that. </p>
<p>MHB did. </p>
<p>His company bought those domains.</p>
<p>I had the same reaction you did.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;I can’t imagine anyone search for raspberry, just raspberries/rasberries.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jody,</p>
<p>If you use Google&#8217;s External keyword search tool you&#8217;ll see that Raspberry<br />
far exceeds Raspberries in # of searches.</p>
<p>SEARCH VOLUME</p>
<p>Keyword&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;March Searches&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;Average Search Volume</p>
<p>Raspberry&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-1,000,000&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-673,000&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Raspberries&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;165,000&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;110,000&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
&#8211;<br />
Which word is more popular?</p>
<p>Raspberry or Raspberries?</p>
<p>Using the keyword popularity tool  at Google Fight.com,<br />
we see that Raspberry kicks Raspberries butt again.</p>
<p>Raspberry&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;12,500,000&#8212;-results</p>
<p>Raspberries&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;4,920,000&#8212;-results<br />
&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Berry Jedi,

No one is saying the name can not make $100 a year developed.

People are saying the domain would make around $100 a year if parked.

Any domain can make more than $100 a year if developed.

You are over anaylzing this way too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Berry Jedi,</p>
<p>No one is saying the name can not make $100 a year developed.</p>
<p>People are saying the domain would make around $100 a year if parked.</p>
<p>Any domain can make more than $100 a year if developed.</p>
<p>You are over anaylzing this way too much.</p>
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MHB Domains should rarely be acquired based just on PPC earnings.

NOW we&#039;re talking. 

Who wants to pay that kind of money to park something?

This is where domainers are missing the boat. 

People do not want to see a parked page. If a couple of weeks ago when I was searching for Caroline Raspberry Plants the last thing I wanted to do was land on a parked page. 

Here&#039;s the irony about all this talk regarding raspberry dot com. Yesterday, I was having a conversation with the owner of (another)berry dot com. He related that he had paid significantly more than the 16K for Raspberry. 

He inquired if I would be interested in writing a few articles for his site. He had seen where I was a grower and a small berry farm owner. At no time was he even aware that this conversation was going on. 

We began talking about Raspberry dot com.

He started out parking this domain and last year was averaging 8 dollars per day as a parked page. Now he has created a site and was doing very well with AdSense.

A couple of things I want to point out. 

I know berries just as many of you know other markets. Perhaps that is where many are failing to adequately assess the situation here. How in the hell can you possibly adequately monitize and market this name if you know very little about it?

Many fail to grasp the basic concept that there are two products here - a domain name and a fruit. This is where domainers fall flat on their face. Domainers only see the domain name as a commodity. 

How many of you want to tackle the complications/risks/morbidity of MRSA in a postop Cardiothoracic surgical patient increasing the hospital LOS? Thought so. 

To all those insistent that this domain would make less than $100 a year I applaud you for your convictions.

@Alan -

Based on forum memberships and the number of domain related sites, on a global scale - yes, I think there are tens of thousands of domainers. 

Are the good? No. Do they know what they are doing? No. Is the media stories of the money of domains bringing more in? Yes. Are these knowledgeable people? No. Do they want to learn? No. 

I was on one forum recently. A person who had been a member since 2006 and nearly a thousand posts mentioned two things in a thread that floored me. One was, &quot;what does BIN mean?&quot; and the other was, &quot; I didn&#039;t know there was a difference between a gTLD and ccTLD.&quot;

These are the basics of the basics. Yes, there are tens of thousands of domainers and domainer wannabees. 

When you consider 6.5 billion people on the planet, tens of thousands is a very insignificant amount. 

@ALL -

Shame on you for thinking I use Google to determine my purchases. Google tools are just that - tools. 

If you don&#039;t know how to use the tool and what it is for then the tool will do you no good.

Might as well spend my time looking at a saw, screw, screwdriver and wood and shout at them. &quot;Build me a bird house!&quot;

I use my pointy hat made of aluminum foil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MHB Domains should rarely be acquired based just on PPC earnings.</p>
<p>NOW we&#8217;re talking. </p>
<p>Who wants to pay that kind of money to park something?</p>
<p>This is where domainers are missing the boat. </p>
<p>People do not want to see a parked page. If a couple of weeks ago when I was searching for Caroline Raspberry Plants the last thing I wanted to do was land on a parked page. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the irony about all this talk regarding raspberry dot com. Yesterday, I was having a conversation with the owner of (another)berry dot com. He related that he had paid significantly more than the 16K for Raspberry. </p>
<p>He inquired if I would be interested in writing a few articles for his site. He had seen where I was a grower and a small berry farm owner. At no time was he even aware that this conversation was going on. </p>
<p>We began talking about Raspberry dot com.</p>
<p>He started out parking this domain and last year was averaging 8 dollars per day as a parked page. Now he has created a site and was doing very well with AdSense.</p>
<p>A couple of things I want to point out. </p>
<p>I know berries just as many of you know other markets. Perhaps that is where many are failing to adequately assess the situation here. How in the hell can you possibly adequately monitize and market this name if you know very little about it?</p>
<p>Many fail to grasp the basic concept that there are two products here &#8211; a domain name and a fruit. This is where domainers fall flat on their face. Domainers only see the domain name as a commodity. </p>
<p>How many of you want to tackle the complications/risks/morbidity of MRSA in a postop Cardiothoracic surgical patient increasing the hospital LOS? Thought so. </p>
<p>To all those insistent that this domain would make less than $100 a year I applaud you for your convictions.</p>
<p>@Alan -</p>
<p>Based on forum memberships and the number of domain related sites, on a global scale &#8211; yes, I think there are tens of thousands of domainers. </p>
<p>Are the good? No. Do they know what they are doing? No. Is the media stories of the money of domains bringing more in? Yes. Are these knowledgeable people? No. Do they want to learn? No. </p>
<p>I was on one forum recently. A person who had been a member since 2006 and nearly a thousand posts mentioned two things in a thread that floored me. One was, &#8220;what does BIN mean?&#8221; and the other was, &#8221; I didn&#8217;t know there was a difference between a gTLD and ccTLD.&#8221;</p>
<p>These are the basics of the basics. Yes, there are tens of thousands of domainers and domainer wannabees. </p>
<p>When you consider 6.5 billion people on the planet, tens of thousands is a very insignificant amount. </p>
<p>@ALL -</p>
<p>Shame on you for thinking I use Google to determine my purchases. Google tools are just that &#8211; tools. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t know how to use the tool and what it is for then the tool will do you no good.</p>
<p>Might as well spend my time looking at a saw, screw, screwdriver and wood and shout at them. &#8220;Build me a bird house!&#8221;</p>
<p>I use my pointy hat made of aluminum foil.</p>
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		<title>By: dave navarro</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave navarro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice writing style.  Looking forward to reading more from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice writing style.  Looking forward to reading more from you.</p>
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