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	<title>Comments on: Tucows Now Selling The Expired Domains They Kept From Their Customers</title>
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		<title>By: posse</title>
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		<dc:creator>posse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Tucows is scamming-away many sites registered through their sister company, Servage ... including mine. Suddenly appearing at Domcollect. Go figure. I was told that my address was outdated and this resulted in my domain being deleted - however, the records for change of address was performed two (2) years prior - and I have screenshots to prove it. However, wherein DENIC and ICANN don&#039;t actually enforce anything - it&#039;s a mugs world.
May they all drop dead with flies in their mouths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Tucows is scamming-away many sites registered through their sister company, Servage &#8230; including mine. Suddenly appearing at Domcollect. Go figure. I was told that my address was outdated and this resulted in my domain being deleted &#8211; however, the records for change of address was performed two (2) years prior &#8211; and I have screenshots to prove it. However, wherein DENIC and ICANN don&#8217;t actually enforce anything &#8211; it&#8217;s a mugs world.<br />
May they all drop dead with flies in their mouths.</p>
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		<title>By: AliceV</title>
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		<dc:creator>AliceV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a way NOT to use TUCOWS? I&#039;m in the same situation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a way NOT to use TUCOWS? I&#8217;m in the same situation!</p>
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		<title>By: tonecas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonecas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MHB,

it&#039;s allowed by ICANN by inaction or by lack of policy rules? or both?

in the case of (another) scam, the &quot;add grace period&quot; (this time practiced by different players), that was exploited for so long, it was a result of inaction from ICANN but also by lack of policy rules that permited the use of this loophole.

in the case of what a registrar can do with expired domains lets look at the following in http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/eddp.htm

&quot;
3.7.5.2 Where Registrar chooses, under extenuating circumstances, to renew a domain name without the explicit consent of the registrant, the registrar must maintain a record of the extenuating circumstances associated with renewing that specific domain name for inspection by ICANN consistent with clauses 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 of this registrar accreditation agreement.

3.7.5.3 In the absence of extenuating circumstances (as defined in Section 3.7.5.1 above), a domain name must be deleted within 45 days of either the registrar or the registrant terminating a registration agreement.
&quot;

i&#039;m sure there will be extenuating circunstances for all the warehousing at Tucows, Dotster, and others.


and if we take as an example two of the most known and reputable (?) registrars, Network Solutions and ENOM, we can read in their service agreements that they do not feel obliged to comply with the Redemption Grace Period that is for instance imposed by Verisign on their managed gTLDs. they are so above the rest of the plain humans that they do not feel that they need to obey to rules, and can make their decisions based on their sole discretion.

to be fair, they, and most of the other registrars, give registrants a grace period to renew a domain after it expires without need of extra fees but this is a poison apple and i&#039;m still today not sure if they can immediatly put a domain in Redemption Grace Period (see Auto-Renew grace period and the (technical) need to keep the domain in the zone for the registrar renew grace period in http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agreements/verisign/appendix-07-01mar06.htm)


all in all this is a big pot of mud that is a direct result of these legal &quot;should&quot;, &quot;must&quot;, &quot;may&quot; that open the door to all kind of dubious practices but that only exists because there are so many &quot;big guys&quot; that are getting big bucks out of all these scams and the &quot;little guy&quot; is allways being pushed around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MHB,</p>
<p>it&#8217;s allowed by ICANN by inaction or by lack of policy rules? or both?</p>
<p>in the case of (another) scam, the &#8220;add grace period&#8221; (this time practiced by different players), that was exploited for so long, it was a result of inaction from ICANN but also by lack of policy rules that permited the use of this loophole.</p>
<p>in the case of what a registrar can do with expired domains lets look at the following in <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/eddp.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/eddp.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
3.7.5.2 Where Registrar chooses, under extenuating circumstances, to renew a domain name without the explicit consent of the registrant, the registrar must maintain a record of the extenuating circumstances associated with renewing that specific domain name for inspection by ICANN consistent with clauses 3.4.2 and 3.4.3 of this registrar accreditation agreement.</p>
<p>3.7.5.3 In the absence of extenuating circumstances (as defined in Section 3.7.5.1 above), a domain name must be deleted within 45 days of either the registrar or the registrant terminating a registration agreement.<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>i&#8217;m sure there will be extenuating circunstances for all the warehousing at Tucows, Dotster, and others.</p>
<p>and if we take as an example two of the most known and reputable (?) registrars, Network Solutions and ENOM, we can read in their service agreements that they do not feel obliged to comply with the Redemption Grace Period that is for instance imposed by Verisign on their managed gTLDs. they are so above the rest of the plain humans that they do not feel that they need to obey to rules, and can make their decisions based on their sole discretion.</p>
<p>to be fair, they, and most of the other registrars, give registrants a grace period to renew a domain after it expires without need of extra fees but this is a poison apple and i&#8217;m still today not sure if they can immediatly put a domain in Redemption Grace Period (see Auto-Renew grace period and the (technical) need to keep the domain in the zone for the registrar renew grace period in <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agreements/verisign/appendix-07-01mar06.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.icann.org/en/tlds/agreements/verisign/appendix-07-01mar06.htm</a>)</p>
<p>all in all this is a big pot of mud that is a direct result of these legal &#8220;should&#8221;, &#8220;must&#8221;, &#8220;may&#8221; that open the door to all kind of dubious practices but that only exists because there are so many &#8220;big guys&#8221; that are getting big bucks out of all these scams and the &#8220;little guy&#8221; is allways being pushed around.</p>
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		<title>By: MHB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonecas

This is not a scam, it is unfortunately allowed by ICANN and registrars are able to do whatever they want with their customers domains, auction them off, let them drop or keep them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonecas</p>
<p>This is not a scam, it is unfortunately allowed by ICANN and registrars are able to do whatever they want with their customers domains, auction them off, let them drop or keep them</p>
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		<title>By: tonecas</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonecas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one good thing with all of this is that it signals that the domain market is still in its early years, as there is so many scams and inefficiencies to be solved. 

there is no possible reason for a registrar to keep a domain. none.

it&#039;s even hard to accept the &quot;up the ladder&quot; trend in getting the domains at their early stages of expiration, where it is supposed to exist a democratic and equal opportunity to grab a domain (oh, you don&#039;t have much money to bid? bad luck! go reg fee available domains), but a domain should be put on auction or return to the public when it expires. anything else is a clear conflit of interest and it is incredible how all these scams keep getting bigger until they are so absurdely evident that finally the competent entities take some measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one good thing with all of this is that it signals that the domain market is still in its early years, as there is so many scams and inefficiencies to be solved. </p>
<p>there is no possible reason for a registrar to keep a domain. none.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s even hard to accept the &#8220;up the ladder&#8221; trend in getting the domains at their early stages of expiration, where it is supposed to exist a democratic and equal opportunity to grab a domain (oh, you don&#8217;t have much money to bid? bad luck! go reg fee available domains), but a domain should be put on auction or return to the public when it expires. anything else is a clear conflit of interest and it is incredible how all these scams keep getting bigger until they are so absurdely evident that finally the competent entities take some measures.</p>
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		<title>By: gold hammered</title>
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		<dc:creator>gold hammered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! what an idea ! What a concept ! Beautiful .. Amazing </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! what an idea ! What a concept ! Beautiful .. Amazing</p>
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		<title>By: elliot noss</title>
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		<dc:creator>elliot noss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lele, for the facts you state to be the case, the domain would have had to expired over 105 days previous!

you are welcome to contact me offlist (if so, please make sure you CLEARLY identify yourself) and we can see what is possible but at some point you are asking for legislation to protect yourself from yourself.

if you are a real domainer the best help you can get is with your domain management tools to ensure you do not let valuable names expire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lele, for the facts you state to be the case, the domain would have had to expired over 105 days previous!</p>
<p>you are welcome to contact me offlist (if so, please make sure you CLEARLY identify yourself) and we can see what is possible but at some point you are asking for legislation to protect yourself from yourself.</p>
<p>if you are a real domainer the best help you can get is with your domain management tools to ensure you do not let valuable names expire.</p>
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		<title>By: lele</title>
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		<dc:creator>lele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My domain expired and I was told to contact some unknown user for a request to get my domain back.

This person 
Alex Fenemore
Tucows Park
*TUCOWS Inc.*
96 Mowat Ave.
Toronto, ON CAN, M6K 3M1
http://www.tucowsinc.com

wrote me:
Hello,

Thank you for your email regarding this domain name.
 
The asking price for this domain name is $499USD.
---------

I find this company functioning with malice to request this kind of money for a domain that only cost me 9.99 to begin with.  It is unethical. This behavior by Tucows needs to be dealt with.  I would like to know who the owner of Tucows is to formally complain.  What can be done for legislation to oulaw this practice!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My domain expired and I was told to contact some unknown user for a request to get my domain back.</p>
<p>This person<br />
Alex Fenemore<br />
Tucows Park<br />
*TUCOWS Inc.*<br />
96 Mowat Ave.<br />
Toronto, ON CAN, M6K 3M1<br />
<a href="http://www.tucowsinc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.tucowsinc.com</a></p>
<p>wrote me:<br />
Hello,</p>
<p>Thank you for your email regarding this domain name.</p>
<p>The asking price for this domain name is $499USD.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>I find this company functioning with malice to request this kind of money for a domain that only cost me 9.99 to begin with.  It is unethical. This behavior by Tucows needs to be dealt with.  I would like to know who the owner of Tucows is to formally complain.  What can be done for legislation to oulaw this practice!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joichi Ito Joins Tucows Board &#124; The domain industry's news source</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/10/29/tucows-now-selling-the-expired-domains-they-kept-from-their-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-10781</link>
		<dc:creator>Joichi Ito Joins Tucows Board &#124; The domain industry's news source</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news, of course, is coming on the heels of the recent flack Tucows received for warehousing domains (more info here, here, and here).  Time will tell whether Ito’s position [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] news, of course, is coming on the heels of the recent flack Tucows received for warehousing domains (more info here, here, and here).  Time will tell whether Ito’s position [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joichi Ito Joins Tucows Board &#124; The Domainer Times</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/10/29/tucows-now-selling-the-expired-domains-they-kept-from-their-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-10554</link>
		<dc:creator>Joichi Ito Joins Tucows Board &#124; The Domainer Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 06:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] news, of course, is coming on the heels of the recent flack Tucows received for warehousing domains (more info here, here, and here).  Time will tell whether Ito&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] news, of course, is coming on the heels of the recent flack Tucows received for warehousing domains (more info here, here, and here).  Time will tell whether Ito&#8217;s [...]</p>
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