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		<title>By: Lucrative Investing</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/09/06/tdnam-trademarks-godaddy-hits-a-new-low-and-action-must-be-taken/comment-page-1/#comment-24063</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucrative Investing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1. Godaddy appraisals are basically an automated script that isn&#039;t worth s**t, I just sold a website that godaddy &quot;professionally&quot; appraised and said it was worth $80, the domain was clearing $800-$1200 a month. I sold the website for 10k last week. 

#2. Godaddy auctions do include trademarked domains. However the infringement depends on 1). the trademark was filed in the proper category to be consider if an infringement is occuring. For example if a trademark was filed under &quot;print&quot; then someone in a newspaper would have to show credit but on the internet they would not. This is why a trademark holder usually files in multiple categories. 2.) If the holder files in the internet category, category 42, a infringement is only possible if the abuser is using the trademark in a confusing manner or manner in which there is no clear benefit. For example you could use www.microsftsucks.com and sell linux software on the site. As long as you could prove that you are using the site in a actual way. If you registered microsofty.com and just had a parked domain with ads all over it, then microsoft could ask you to take the domain down because it causes confusion and the intent is to profit only from the use of a trademarked name.

The true problem arises if say microsoft had no domain name and someone had squatted on www.microsoft.com(The domain spelling must be the exact same) if they where actually using the domain in a true manner(selling flowers or something), then it would be a possible victory to the domain holder but not necessarily, they just have a better chance of keeping the domain. Maybe a 50/50 shot versus a 5% shot at best with the other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1. Godaddy appraisals are basically an automated script that isn&#8217;t worth s**t, I just sold a website that godaddy &#8220;professionally&#8221; appraised and said it was worth $80, the domain was clearing $800-$1200 a month. I sold the website for 10k last week. </p>
<p>#2. Godaddy auctions do include trademarked domains. However the infringement depends on 1). the trademark was filed in the proper category to be consider if an infringement is occuring. For example if a trademark was filed under &#8220;print&#8221; then someone in a newspaper would have to show credit but on the internet they would not. This is why a trademark holder usually files in multiple categories. 2.) If the holder files in the internet category, category 42, a infringement is only possible if the abuser is using the trademark in a confusing manner or manner in which there is no clear benefit. For example you could use <a href="http://www.microsftsucks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsftsucks.com</a> and sell linux software on the site. As long as you could prove that you are using the site in a actual way. If you registered microsofty.com and just had a parked domain with ads all over it, then microsoft could ask you to take the domain down because it causes confusion and the intent is to profit only from the use of a trademarked name.</p>
<p>The true problem arises if say microsoft had no domain name and someone had squatted on <a href="http://www.microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com</a>(The domain spelling must be the exact same) if they where actually using the domain in a true manner(selling flowers or something), then it would be a possible victory to the domain holder but not necessarily, they just have a better chance of keeping the domain. Maybe a 50/50 shot versus a 5% shot at best with the other issues.</p>
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		<title>By: godaddymonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>godaddymonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first problem with your reasoning in all this is the first amendment.

I can say whatever I want about CNN as long as it&#039;s truthful, and a domain name is just another vehicle for it. 

It only violates trademark law if I pretend to be CNN and there&#039;s a risk of confusion. So it&#039;s really the content of the site that determines the issue. If I&#039;m blogging about CNN, then the domain name I choose is just an extension of the blog.

I think this cyber squatting thing should only extend to the precise trademark name. 

Let&#039;s take this example... CNNWatchdog.com ... dutifully gathers legions of readers every year. In 50 years they have five million readers. The site is for people who want to keep CNN honest. For all intents and purposes this site could be MORE profitable than CNN in fifty years... CNNWatchdog.com is a completely new business in my mind. Nobody mistakes it for CNN because they make it very clear on the website that they are not affiliated with CNN. 

The web is a new kind of economy and the laws have to reflect that. It&#039;s an information economy. If I have the foresight to see that there are more people who want to police CNN than CNN viewers, I should have the right to build that business.

So I say there&#039;s no way to to tell if CNN&#039;s trademark has been violated until the content is actually posted. No risk of confusion, no problem. 

The second problem with your reasoning is trademark law itself. It&#039;s industry specific. I can launch a company called CNNDogWashing as long as CNN doesn&#039;t already have a product in that industry. So this broad-sweeping view you have of the problem doesn&#039;t address many of the nuances of the law. It&#039;s really a case by case thing. While you chose a good example, you go to far with your reasoning. 

The law is pretty simple: if there&#039;s risk of confusion in a specific industry, it violates the law. That means MOST domain names containing CNN don&#039;t violate the law (unless the website uses their colors &amp; logo etc).

Also keep in mind that most domains extensions are global. .com. .TV. There are probably companies with the acronym CNN in other countries, for example. If CNN hasn&#039;t trademarked the name in that country, tough luck. They don&#039;t own the universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first problem with your reasoning in all this is the first amendment.</p>
<p>I can say whatever I want about CNN as long as it&#8217;s truthful, and a domain name is just another vehicle for it. </p>
<p>It only violates trademark law if I pretend to be CNN and there&#8217;s a risk of confusion. So it&#8217;s really the content of the site that determines the issue. If I&#8217;m blogging about CNN, then the domain name I choose is just an extension of the blog.</p>
<p>I think this cyber squatting thing should only extend to the precise trademark name. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take this example&#8230; CNNWatchdog.com &#8230; dutifully gathers legions of readers every year. In 50 years they have five million readers. The site is for people who want to keep CNN honest. For all intents and purposes this site could be MORE profitable than CNN in fifty years&#8230; CNNWatchdog.com is a completely new business in my mind. Nobody mistakes it for CNN because they make it very clear on the website that they are not affiliated with CNN. </p>
<p>The web is a new kind of economy and the laws have to reflect that. It&#8217;s an information economy. If I have the foresight to see that there are more people who want to police CNN than CNN viewers, I should have the right to build that business.</p>
<p>So I say there&#8217;s no way to to tell if CNN&#8217;s trademark has been violated until the content is actually posted. No risk of confusion, no problem. </p>
<p>The second problem with your reasoning is trademark law itself. It&#8217;s industry specific. I can launch a company called CNNDogWashing as long as CNN doesn&#8217;t already have a product in that industry. So this broad-sweeping view you have of the problem doesn&#8217;t address many of the nuances of the law. It&#8217;s really a case by case thing. While you chose a good example, you go to far with your reasoning. </p>
<p>The law is pretty simple: if there&#8217;s risk of confusion in a specific industry, it violates the law. That means MOST domain names containing CNN don&#8217;t violate the law (unless the website uses their colors &amp; logo etc).</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that most domains extensions are global. .com. .TV. There are probably companies with the acronym CNN in other countries, for example. If CNN hasn&#8217;t trademarked the name in that country, tough luck. They don&#8217;t own the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Menius</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/09/06/tdnam-trademarks-godaddy-hits-a-new-low-and-action-must-be-taken/comment-page-1/#comment-12270</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Menius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A low level GoDaddy newbie employee had to be involved. No educated industry pro would touch this. I do not think GoDaddy upper management are aware or would condone this. 

I say this because I have seen GoDaddy reverse course and take positive action when similar problems were brought to their attention. Not to mention iReit&#039;s hard-earned lesson was a message to all.

If anything, GoDaddy need much better screening of tdnam listings. Probably automated (and a human) screening domains before they make it to the auction site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A low level GoDaddy newbie employee had to be involved. No educated industry pro would touch this. I do not think GoDaddy upper management are aware or would condone this. </p>
<p>I say this because I have seen GoDaddy reverse course and take positive action when similar problems were brought to their attention. Not to mention iReit&#8217;s hard-earned lesson was a message to all.</p>
<p>If anything, GoDaddy need much better screening of tdnam listings. Probably automated (and a human) screening domains before they make it to the auction site.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee.....thanks a lot Hank.  You are taking it from my bottom line too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee&#8230;..thanks a lot Hank.  You are taking it from my bottom line too.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I buy a domain name through GoDaddy and they sell it to me,eventhough there is a company that has a trademark and they own the .com and .net, and I buy the .me for that name, then its GoDaddy’s fault not mine! I’m surprised GoDaddy is still in business if this was that serious! As far as domain names and trademarks: Who gives a crap? If its available, buy it through any ICANN registered company and don t worry about it. It ’s all about making money! Big companies f**k everyone to make a profit so it s time to f**k them as well. You want your f**king domain name, it&#039;ll cost you a**hole! First come first serve!Bring it b**ches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I buy a domain name through GoDaddy and they sell it to me,eventhough there is a company that has a trademark and they own the .com and .net, and I buy the .me for that name, then its GoDaddy’s fault not mine! I’m surprised GoDaddy is still in business if this was that serious! As far as domain names and trademarks: Who gives a crap? If its available, buy it through any ICANN registered company and don t worry about it. It ’s all about making money! Big companies f**k everyone to make a profit so it s time to f**k them as well. You want your f**king domain name, it&#8217;ll cost you a**hole! First come first serve!Bring it b**ches!</p>
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		<title>By: Websites tagged "domain" on Postsaver</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/09/06/tdnam-trademarks-godaddy-hits-a-new-low-and-action-must-be-taken/comment-page-1/#comment-8189</link>
		<dc:creator>Websites tagged "domain" on Postsaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - TDNAM &amp; Trademarks: Godaddy Hits A New Low and Action Must Be Taken saved by MoonGreebs2008-09-19 - Fresh proxy list from today saved by gdahlberg2008-09-18 - New [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; TDNAM &amp; Trademarks: Godaddy Hits A New Low and Action Must Be Taken saved by MoonGreebs2008-09-19 &#8211; Fresh proxy list from today saved by gdahlberg2008-09-18 &#8211; New [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LIKELIHOOD OF CONFUSION® &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Go chutzpa!</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/09/06/tdnam-trademarks-godaddy-hits-a-new-low-and-action-must-be-taken/comment-page-1/#comment-7928</link>
		<dc:creator>LIKELIHOOD OF CONFUSION® &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Go chutzpa!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to help prospects evaluate the name value of obviously trademark infringing registrations, from the &#8220;The Domains&#8221; blog (via Randazza): We have discussed on numerous occasions, TDNAM (Godaddy) is allowing the sale of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to help prospects evaluate the name value of obviously trademark infringing registrations, from the &#8220;The Domains&#8221; blog (via Randazza): We have discussed on numerous occasions, TDNAM (Godaddy) is allowing the sale of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/09/06/tdnam-trademarks-godaddy-hits-a-new-low-and-action-must-be-taken/comment-page-1/#comment-7910</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Quite true, my apologies for not checking up on that before posting. I could have sworn it was eventually transferred away in the end. I suppose I “misremembered”. Again my apologies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To err is human, Jeremy. To forgive, divine! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Quite true, my apologies for not checking up on that before posting. I could have sworn it was eventually transferred away in the end. I suppose I “misremembered”. Again my apologies.</p></blockquote>
<p>To err is human, Jeremy. To forgive, divine! <img src='http://www.thedomains.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The challenge here lies in being able to effectively and efficiently address this&quot;

David : not really , it took me about 10 seconds to do a search for &quot;foxspor&quot; at Sedo, just do a search for any large TM...


  foxspors.com   Make Offer  -  45,148      
  foxsporst.com   Make Offer  -  16,289      
  foxsportstv.com   Make Offer  -  255      
  foxspor.com.ar   Make Offer  -  227      
  foxsportsnfl.com   Make Offer  -  47      
  foxsportr.com   Make Offer  -  32



This one  it&#039;s an eyeopener :

google.cm  
23 offers 
1/2Million vists per month.

And they don&#039;t know it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The challenge here lies in being able to effectively and efficiently address this&#8221;</p>
<p>David : not really , it took me about 10 seconds to do a search for &#8220;foxspor&#8221; at Sedo, just do a search for any large TM&#8230;</p>
<p>  foxspors.com   Make Offer  &#8211;  45,148<br />
  foxsporst.com   Make Offer  &#8211;  16,289<br />
  foxsportstv.com   Make Offer  &#8211;  255<br />
  foxspor.com.ar   Make Offer  &#8211;  227<br />
  foxsportsnfl.com   Make Offer  &#8211;  47<br />
  foxsportr.com   Make Offer  &#8211;  32</p>
<p>This one  it&#8217;s an eyeopener :</p>
<p>google.cm<br />
23 offers<br />
1/2Million vists per month.</p>
<p>And they don&#8217;t know it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, 

Quite true, my apologies for not checking up on that before posting. I could have sworn it was eventually transferred away in the end. I suppose I &quot;misremembered&quot;. Again my apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, </p>
<p>Quite true, my apologies for not checking up on that before posting. I could have sworn it was eventually transferred away in the end. I suppose I &#8220;misremembered&#8221;. Again my apologies.</p>
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