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		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/03/21/click-on-a-link-go-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-5827</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 07:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreigner

very interesting post.

I think if you look back at the history of the US you will find times when the county was more concerned with preventing putting innocent people in Jail than finding every possbile criminal and sending them to jail.

The philosophy of the function of jails has changed though the year as well.  At time the US had thought prison were for reeducation and reforming people.  Now we simply want to punish them.

This is an ebb and flow.

Right now we are living in &quot;the put them all away&quot; mode at all costs.

This is why over 1% of the US population is now in prision.

Holding people without charging them, prision torture, taking people to other countries so they do not enjoy the supposed protections of the constitution so the government can do their dirty work, is all part of the current put them jail mentality.

To answer your question, no i don&#039;t trust the government to act fairly and really try to seek the truth, but rather to get convictions as politics demand them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreigner</p>
<p>very interesting post.</p>
<p>I think if you look back at the history of the US you will find times when the county was more concerned with preventing putting innocent people in Jail than finding every possbile criminal and sending them to jail.</p>
<p>The philosophy of the function of jails has changed though the year as well.  At time the US had thought prison were for reeducation and reforming people.  Now we simply want to punish them.</p>
<p>This is an ebb and flow.</p>
<p>Right now we are living in &#8220;the put them all away&#8221; mode at all costs.</p>
<p>This is why over 1% of the US population is now in prision.</p>
<p>Holding people without charging them, prision torture, taking people to other countries so they do not enjoy the supposed protections of the constitution so the government can do their dirty work, is all part of the current put them jail mentality.</p>
<p>To answer your question, no i don&#8217;t trust the government to act fairly and really try to seek the truth, but rather to get convictions as politics demand them</p>
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		<title>By: Foreigner</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/03/21/click-on-a-link-go-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-5817</link>
		<dc:creator>Foreigner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the  point of the discussion ins&#039;t if in THIS very case the guy is actually guilty or not, but wether the methods used by the Government are valid ones or not.

It calls my attention that the FBI didn&#039;t record the &quot;referrer&quot; website along with the IP address. The &quot;referrer&quot; is part of the browser&#039;s request for any page, all browsers implements this and you cannot disable this feature (in fact, it&#039;s a method used to validate the access to a website).  The logs shown in the article only stated the IP address, while in order to strengthen the proof value it should include:
- the &quot;referrer&quot; (to claim it was the original link and not a &quot;copy&quot; sent by e-mail or found in another site)
- the browser brand and version (it&#039;d be a good point to prove a match to the one installed in the prosecuted computer, and to disregard crawling robots)
Other information could be usefull as well, for example, the order every URL from images in the web page were requested (this would certainly tell appart a robot from a browser, and even browsers brands and  models from their behavior). In fact, the browser sends a LOT of usefull data able to tell appart your computer from the next one, that would be usefull as a proof.  But they rely ONLY in the link!

And even proving someone actually activelly clicked the link doesn&#039;t prove the intention. Let say you&#039;re just curious to get to know the way internet reflects our culture, or to what extent internet is actually a crime threat. As a citizen up to endorse these Government actions, you&#039;re entitled to reach the information allowing you to know as much as the Government does about the actual threat and the way crime develops in the web. So you just look around, you get thoursads of images download in your computer cache (even if you didn&#039;t even INTENT to watch), you click on links promoting illegal activities JUST TO GET TO KNOW THEM, but for the Government, this would be the same than becoming a CONSUMER of the illegal stuff.

As for this guy, he was a teacher. I think a teacher MUST get to know the threats childrens faces everiday. But the Government now deprives us all from the right to KNOW.

The implications are bold. The Government (as if it were not a res-pulbican entity) preserves for itself the right to tell wich behavior is criminal or not, while forbiding the taxpayers to even research the subject to agree or disagree with the Government criteria. We have to blindly believe in the Government (even if as part of a jury)!

Moreover, this is a well known method to control the population behavior and way of thinking, one proven usefull for totalitary regimes:  people STOP doing things because of the fear, &quot;just in case&quot; they become suspects and (because of  what I said before), &quot;automatically&quot; guilty as charged.

The problem relies on the answer to this question: Do you preffer a) to have innocents in jail if this ensures all the criminals were jailed, or b) to have crimminals walking free if this ensures no innocent were jailed?

If you picked (a), then you&#039;d endorse the Government discussed criteria, if you picked (b) you&#039;d be against it. As citizens, the answer to this question shapes  two very different societies, and our  lack of reaction will let other people shape the society we and our childrens will live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the  point of the discussion ins&#8217;t if in THIS very case the guy is actually guilty or not, but wether the methods used by the Government are valid ones or not.</p>
<p>It calls my attention that the FBI didn&#8217;t record the &#8220;referrer&#8221; website along with the IP address. The &#8220;referrer&#8221; is part of the browser&#8217;s request for any page, all browsers implements this and you cannot disable this feature (in fact, it&#8217;s a method used to validate the access to a website).  The logs shown in the article only stated the IP address, while in order to strengthen the proof value it should include:<br />
- the &#8220;referrer&#8221; (to claim it was the original link and not a &#8220;copy&#8221; sent by e-mail or found in another site)<br />
- the browser brand and version (it&#8217;d be a good point to prove a match to the one installed in the prosecuted computer, and to disregard crawling robots)<br />
Other information could be usefull as well, for example, the order every URL from images in the web page were requested (this would certainly tell appart a robot from a browser, and even browsers brands and  models from their behavior). In fact, the browser sends a LOT of usefull data able to tell appart your computer from the next one, that would be usefull as a proof.  But they rely ONLY in the link!</p>
<p>And even proving someone actually activelly clicked the link doesn&#8217;t prove the intention. Let say you&#8217;re just curious to get to know the way internet reflects our culture, or to what extent internet is actually a crime threat. As a citizen up to endorse these Government actions, you&#8217;re entitled to reach the information allowing you to know as much as the Government does about the actual threat and the way crime develops in the web. So you just look around, you get thoursads of images download in your computer cache (even if you didn&#8217;t even INTENT to watch), you click on links promoting illegal activities JUST TO GET TO KNOW THEM, but for the Government, this would be the same than becoming a CONSUMER of the illegal stuff.</p>
<p>As for this guy, he was a teacher. I think a teacher MUST get to know the threats childrens faces everiday. But the Government now deprives us all from the right to KNOW.</p>
<p>The implications are bold. The Government (as if it were not a res-pulbican entity) preserves for itself the right to tell wich behavior is criminal or not, while forbiding the taxpayers to even research the subject to agree or disagree with the Government criteria. We have to blindly believe in the Government (even if as part of a jury)!</p>
<p>Moreover, this is a well known method to control the population behavior and way of thinking, one proven usefull for totalitary regimes:  people STOP doing things because of the fear, &#8220;just in case&#8221; they become suspects and (because of  what I said before), &#8220;automatically&#8221; guilty as charged.</p>
<p>The problem relies on the answer to this question: Do you preffer a) to have innocents in jail if this ensures all the criminals were jailed, or b) to have crimminals walking free if this ensures no innocent were jailed?</p>
<p>If you picked (a), then you&#8217;d endorse the Government discussed criteria, if you picked (b) you&#8217;d be against it. As citizens, the answer to this question shapes  two very different societies, and our  lack of reaction will let other people shape the society we and our childrens will live in.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/03/21/click-on-a-link-go-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-2291</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil

UltraRPM who ever they are

Here is a link to the suit:

www.loffs.org/neimanmarcus-v-ultrarpm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil</p>
<p>UltraRPM who ever they are</p>
<p>Here is a link to the suit:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.loffs.org/neimanmarcus-v-ultrarpm" rel="nofollow">http://www.loffs.org/neimanmarcus-v-ultrarpm</a></p>
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		<title>By: STEVE</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/03/21/click-on-a-link-go-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-2283</link>
		<dc:creator>STEVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks fishy that the government would stoop that low to get someone.  Using that as a pretense to raid the house where they did find evidence.  So they did catch the guy, but very very fishy.

  Talk about the thin blue line.  Wow the government is a bunch of scumbags going after scumbags.  So I don&#039;t expect to see any of them in heaven.  Face it our government is run by 
two faced liars...I think this is how Hitler got started.  Scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks fishy that the government would stoop that low to get someone.  Using that as a pretense to raid the house where they did find evidence.  So they did catch the guy, but very very fishy.</p>
<p>  Talk about the thin blue line.  Wow the government is a bunch of scumbags going after scumbags.  So I don&#8217;t expect to see any of them in heaven.  Face it our government is run by<br />
two faced liars&#8230;I think this is how Hitler got started.  Scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/03/21/click-on-a-link-go-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-2274</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have more info on the lawsuit? Who is the company with 4 mil domains?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have more info on the lawsuit? Who is the company with 4 mil domains?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/03/21/click-on-a-link-go-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil

The answer to your question is yes there are many people and companies that are fine with this.

Especially those who have done domain tasting.

Last week a lawsuit was filed against a company that has over 4,000,000 domain names and thousand and thousands of typo&#039;s of trademark names</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil</p>
<p>The answer to your question is yes there are many people and companies that are fine with this.</p>
<p>Especially those who have done domain tasting.</p>
<p>Last week a lawsuit was filed against a company that has over 4,000,000 domain names and thousand and thousands of typo&#8217;s of trademark names</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/03/21/click-on-a-link-go-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-2240</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another note, if we leave child pornography out of this since it’s a very touchy subject. Does everyone here believe that it’s justified to make CPC profit out of TM domains? For example, as unreal it sounds to me but youtupe.com sold for $25,000 on SnapNames. Someone decided to make profit out of someone else’s endless efforts and millions spent on advertising. I mean if you like youtube and want to make money with it take the $25k and buy google stock.

I believe it’s a huge task to enforce TM and regulate domains but hey this will create companies and jobs and on top of it raise google’s stock. The result will distribute money to people who truly deserve it.

With saying this I would hate to see this issue go in a direction of reverse domain hijacking and people thinking they are the rightful owners of a domain just because they registered a TM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another note, if we leave child pornography out of this since it’s a very touchy subject. Does everyone here believe that it’s justified to make CPC profit out of TM domains? For example, as unreal it sounds to me but youtupe.com sold for $25,000 on SnapNames. Someone decided to make profit out of someone else’s endless efforts and millions spent on advertising. I mean if you like youtube and want to make money with it take the $25k and buy google stock.</p>
<p>I believe it’s a huge task to enforce TM and regulate domains but hey this will create companies and jobs and on top of it raise google’s stock. The result will distribute money to people who truly deserve it.</p>
<p>With saying this I would hate to see this issue go in a direction of reverse domain hijacking and people thinking they are the rightful owners of a domain just because they registered a TM.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.thedomains.com/2008/03/21/click-on-a-link-go-to-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-2239</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly agree that the result proves an effective way to catch a true criminal. Maybe the topic of this conversation should be whether or not you (admin) and everyone else trusts the government, FBI, enough to enforce this method of catching criminals? We are all talking about an innocent surfer clicking on a link and being sent to jail and I’m strongly convinced this will not likely happen. It is however possible that this method will evolve into a secondary measure to issue warrants in hopes of finding more evidence.  This opens doors for ways of catching other criminals not only people engaged in child pornography. We all know Al Capone was guilty of many crimes but was sentenced to jail for tax evasion.
 If this happens then there will be many useless search attempts resulting in nothing but invasion of privacy that will ultimately render this method unsuccessful and therefore illegal. We all know the FBI will not allow that and try to prove its effectiveness.  Stop and think for a second about the makers of child pornography. Remember that scene in Running Scared when the boy unknowingly gets kidnapped and sent to a lavish apartment full of toys and cameras.  Imagine how many problems will be solved if  we take away their audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly agree that the result proves an effective way to catch a true criminal. Maybe the topic of this conversation should be whether or not you (admin) and everyone else trusts the government, FBI, enough to enforce this method of catching criminals? We are all talking about an innocent surfer clicking on a link and being sent to jail and I’m strongly convinced this will not likely happen. It is however possible that this method will evolve into a secondary measure to issue warrants in hopes of finding more evidence.  This opens doors for ways of catching other criminals not only people engaged in child pornography. We all know Al Capone was guilty of many crimes but was sentenced to jail for tax evasion.<br />
 If this happens then there will be many useless search attempts resulting in nothing but invasion of privacy that will ultimately render this method unsuccessful and therefore illegal. We all know the FBI will not allow that and try to prove its effectiveness.  Stop and think for a second about the makers of child pornography. Remember that scene in Running Scared when the boy unknowingly gets kidnapped and sent to a lavish apartment full of toys and cameras.  Imagine how many problems will be solved if  we take away their audience.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>admin

also if you want to check out the original story on cnet, you will see well over 225 comments and 90% of them have the foresight and understanding to appreciate the harm that was done here and what can be done by the government in the future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>admin</p>
<p>also if you want to check out the original story on cnet, you will see well over 225 comments and 90% of them have the foresight and understanding to appreciate the harm that was done here and what can be done by the government in the future</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The feds always pick the best case for them against the weakest defendant to set a precedent.

This will be the subject of tomorrow&#039;s post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feds always pick the best case for them against the weakest defendant to set a precedent.</p>
<p>This will be the subject of tomorrow&#8217;s post</p>
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